prostate infection?

[bob clark]

Originally Posted by SCI-Nurse

I just don't want your urethra to shrivel up. I don't know of any irrigation inside of the body with H2O2. Now H2O2 and NS makes a good mouth gargle for gum infection/ prevention, that is the closest example I can think of. We don't even use it on wounds anymore.

But I am open to ideas and certainly if someone wants to try it that is their decision.
Get someone to research it.

CWO

Hi SCI-Nurse CWO,

Thank you for your concern about my urethra. Since I no longer get UTIs and the accompanying "shrinkage factor" I now have more erections than ever. Nothing like hard wood and hanging testicles. What the future holds I can't say.

But on a more serious note.

I believe it's a given that bacterial colonizations and UTIs start at the meatus, incubate and quickly multiply in the urethra and then the heavy bacteria colony travels into the bladder (or is pushed there) on a catheter. This must be the case since there is no difference between the "sterile catheterization procedure" or the "clean catheterization procedure". The bacteria first takes up residence in the outer urethral area and works its way inward. If we can kill the bacteria while it's still not very prolific in the outer urethral area, we can prevent it from getting into the bladder and kidneys. IMHO.

I'm glad to hear that you're open to new ideas. Is there anyway that you can get a clinical study started at your SCI Center based upon my procedure but using the very safe (even on raw, open, diabetic foot ulcers) Microcyn solution instead of the caustic H2O2?

It's manufactured in California by Oculus Innovative Sciences, Inc. (NASDAQ:OCLS) but isn't FDA approved here in the US. It's approved for many usages in Canada, Mexico, India and I suppose practically every other country in the world.

Originally Posted by Oculus Innovative Sciences, Inc.

PETALUMA, Calif., Sep 17, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) --

Oculus Innovative Sciences, Inc. (NASDAQ:OCLS) announced today that five posters on selected studies assessing the anti-infective nature of Microcyn(R) Technology were accepted for presentation at the 47th Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy (ICAAC) at McCormick Place in Chicago, September 17 - 20. ICAAC, a key scientific event, attracts scientists from around the world to discuss important themes and present the newest treatment advances in infectious disease. Oculus Innovative Sciences will also have a presence with a scientific exhibit at booth #554 located in the exhibit hall at McCormick Place/Lakeside Center. The Oculus booth will provide additional information to prospective investigators for its upcoming Phase III trials.

The poster presentations will discuss:

1. Super-Oxidized Solution (SOS) Therapy for Diabetic Foot Ulcers

2. Effects of pH Neutral, Super-Oxidized Solution on Human Dermal Fibroblasts In Vitro

3. The Anti-Viral Efficacy of a New Super-Oxidized Solution

4. The Anti-Bacterial Efficacy of a New Super-Oxidized Solution

5. Activity of a pH Neutral Super-Oxidized Solution Against Bacteria Selected for Sodium Hypochlorite Resistance Bacteria Selected for Sodium Hypochlorite Resistance

You may be the Nurse who conquers the whole SCI UTI problem! Wouldn't you be so proud of yourself knowing what a positive contribution you made to the SCI community and of all the pain you prevented from occurring? Not to mention the whole MRSA and VRE near epidemic from the use/overuse of antibiotics.

Thank you for listening.

Bob.

[bob clark]

Originally Posted by alpentalic

Bob that is one metculous ritual!

Hi Alpentalic,

Actually, after a few days it becomes second nature and doesn't take much time at all. But you're right about being meticulous, it only takes one lapse in the procedure to become infected.

Perhaps I am a bit obsessive/compulsive about it. But I don't even think about UTIs anymore... they are a PITA of the past. I just wish we had a less caustic than H2O2, yet inexpensive solution, to use to kill bacteria before it gets into our bladder and perhaps kidneys.

We'll see what happens with this biological Maginot Line. I just wish that someone with the authority and resources would try a clinical study on it. Hey, if I'm proven wrong I'll freely admit it and go about my business. No harm, no foul... if they'd use the reportedly harmless yet effective anticeptic Mycrocyn.

Bob.

PS. We see eye to eye on Televangelist Benny Hinn. I don't hate anyone but he sure comes very close.... as you say, "What a crock". Why are so many, so gullible? Other than the fact that they're so very desperate for help they gravitate towards any hope... no matter how ridiculous or dismal the odds are.

[slider]

Bob,

Yr method sounds great for those who cath at home most of the time. But for those like me who cath outside of home 70% of the time( wrok and shit), its quite impossible. I wish there is a much simpler method.

[bob clark]

Originally Posted by slider

Bob,

Yr method sounds great for those who cath at home most of the time. But for those like me who cath outside of home 70% of the time( wrok and shit), its quite impossible. I wish there is a much simpler method.

Hi Slider,

If you're not at home you can just use either sterile gloves to bypass all the handwashing crap or use Purell or Germ-X or other good hand sanitizer. It should contain at least 60% alcohol in it. Purell and Germ-X have 70% I believe. Then put a disposable waterproof chux pad under your scrotum and across your thighs instead of a towel to absorb the excess HP and to hold the urinal in place. When I'm here at home and fully dressed I use a disposable waterproof chux pad and a towel so the HP doesn't get on my jeans and eat away at the zipper. I must have half a dozen fairly new pairs of jeans here with the zippers eaten away. My bad! You can carry a 13 oz. bottle of hydrogen peroxide in a small cathing kit bag. Like one of those fanny packs. I have one under my wheelchair but I usually keep my gun in there. In a pinch I could remove it and use the fanny pack as a cath kit. Those chux pads fold up small.

Also, I was just at my doctor's last week for my 6 month "check up".... you know, I had to touch base with the doctor to get my 6 month prescription of gabapentin. Oh, I left the gun in the trunk of the car. She can piss me off at times and I wouldn't want to be provoked! Just kidding. I told her that the 3200mgs of gabapentin was no longer as effective as it once was so she prescribed some pussy-ass 5/360mgs of Norco/Vicodin. You know, 5mg oxycodone and 360mg acetaminophen. So I was taken off guard not expecting to have to give a blood and urine sample. But I always carry an extra catheter with me just in case the car breaks down or whatever. And I'm never without my Purell when I go out to nasty places like a doctor's office or any other place for that matter. Fuckin' bacteria is everywhere.

Of course my doctor said that the lab would have everything that I needed to catheterize with. Yeah, right. I got in there and they didn't even have a pair of sterile gloves let alone a small packet of sterile K-Y jelly. They had nothing.... not even a "clean towel"! A 14 french catheter.... ah, what's a catheter? Duh. She's a damn physiatrist.

So I just went into the bathroom and washed my hands in their filthy sink and squirted a bunch of my Purell on my hands and a squirt on the head of my dick and catheterized through the Purell. I told 'em if any alcohol showed up in the test that it was their fault, not mine. I hadn't had a drink in months! Actually it had been a couple weeks but why volunteer impertinent information?! Good thing I brought my own bottle of water... I finished that off forthwith and used it to catch the excess urine. Hey, I was gettin' worried... I filled that bad boy right up to the neck along with the sample cup!

So it can be done on the quick without much equipment. Actually I think you could probably get away with just doing it my way once or twice a day. That would probably be enough to keep the bacteria in the outer portion of your urethra at bay. If you're interested, just do it my way when you're at home and see what happens.

We can only do our best.

Good luck Slider,

Bob.

[slider]

Cathing outside really puts us in danger. Like u said it, we could get away once or twice doing sloppy cathing in public toilets but you really, really need to be lucky. Anyway went swimming the other day and and cath after that in the public toilet, wham bam...UTI by night time after 3weeks of UTI free. Hehhe...dont make sense at all. Been UTI free 1st 7 years of injury even with "dirty" cathing but nowadays keep getting them. Damn it!!! Ok before anyone says go and do KUB, US, UDS,etc. I did that already and there are no stones or anything of that crap.

[bob clark]

Originally Posted by slider

Cathing outside really puts us in danger. Like u said it, we could get away once or twice doing sloppy cathing in public toilets but you really, really need to be lucky. Anyway went swimming the other day and and cath after that in the public toilet, wham bam...UTI by night time after 3weeks of UTI free. Hehhe...dont make sense at all. Been UTI free 1st 7 years of injury even with "dirty" cathing but nowadays keep getting them. Damn it!!! Ok before anyone says go and do KUB, US, UDS,etc. I did that already and there are no stones or anything of that crap.

Hi Slider,

Unless your eyes were burning as though hot coals were placed on them there probably wasn't enough chlorine in the pool water to kill all the bacteria in it. So that was one strike against you. Then wheeling into those public swimming pool restrooms and using them are a nightmare. I remember as a kid, when we belonged to the local public swimming pool (the LPRA for anyone from Levittown, PA!), I hated going into that restroom. It was dark and the floor was wet and slippery.... ewwww... I mean a real mold, mildew and bacteria factory. So that's another strike against cleanliness. You had bacteria from the pool on your body, hands and on and perhaps even in your penis, plus wheeling into such a filthy cathing environment (wet nasty floors) isn't conducive to clean, let alone sterile, cathing! You were asking for it in that situation. I don't mean "asking asking" for it but it doesn't surprise me that you caught a UTI under those less than ideal circumstances.

You're not getting any younger and your body starts to fall apart the older you get. Your bladder (like all of our bladders) has been abused for over 8 years of cathing and your immune system isn't as capable as it once was. Hey, I'm 53 and trust me, it doesn't get any easier with age. Maybe after the first year or two things get easier because you learn the basics of living with a SCI but after that, things start going downhill. This SCI stuff sux big time. But I'm glad to hear that you're getting out and about and doing things like swimming. But you'll need to get some hand sanitizer and do some cleaning of your meatus and even your outer urethra if you keep going to that public swimming pool. Really, they're cesspools full of germs. They at best, keep the bacteria level down to a safe level in the water for the average able-bodied person who may get some in their mouth and drink it, not completely bacteria-free for people like us who need to shove a foreign plastic tube up our penises and into our bladders. You'll need to be extra vigilant when you cath there the next time.

If you have to, do like I did and use Purell on you hands (lots of it) and squirt some on the head of your penis and even in your meatus, wait at least 30 seconds... preferably a minute and insert a new sterile catheter through the Purell. It acts as a lubricant so you may not need anything else. It may be a bit harsh on your urethral membrane and I wouldn't suggest doing it like that very often but better that than a practically guaranteed UTI of God only knows what new strain of bacteria that's lurking in that pool water and on the floor of that swimming pool restroom. Or even in the water supply that's coming out of the faucet.

Sorry to hear about your UTI. They can be very painful and a real nuisance if not taken care of with antibiotics right away. You'll probably want to get a C&S done because the bacteria came from a public unknown source. Hopefully it isn't a MRSA or VRE strain.

Good luck Slider,

Bob.

[slider]

Originally Posted by bob clark

Hi Slider,

Unless your eyes were burning as though hot coals were placed on them there probably wasn't enough chlorine in the pool water to kill all the bacteria in it. So that was one strike against you. Then wheeling into those public swimming pool restrooms and using them are a nightmare. I remember as a kid, when we belonged to the local public swimming pool (the LPRA for anyone from Levittown, PA!), I hated going into that restroom. It was dark and the floor was wet and slippery.... ewwww... I mean a real mold, mildew and bacteria factory. So that's another strike against cleanliness. You had bacteria from the pool on your body, hands and on and perhaps even in your penis, plus wheeling into such a filthy cathing environment (wet nasty floors) isn't conducive to clean, let alone sterile, cathing! You were asking for it in that situation. I don't mean "asking asking" for it but it doesn't surprise me that you caught a UTI under those less than ideal circumstances.

You're not getting any younger and your body starts to fall apart the older you get. Your bladder (like all of our bladders) has been abused for over 8 years of cathing and your immune system isn't as capable as it once was. Hey, I'm 53 and trust me, it doesn't get any easier with age. Maybe after the first year or two things get easier because you learn the basics of living with a SCI but after that, things start going downhill. This SCI stuff sux big time. But I'm glad to hear that you're getting out and about and doing things like swimming. But you'll need to get some hand sanitizer and do some cleaning of your meatus and even your outer urethra if you keep going to that public swimming pool. Really, they're cesspools full of germs. They at best, keep the bacteria level down to a safe level in the water for the average able-bodied person who may get some in their mouth and drink it, not completely bacteria-free for people like us who need to shove a foreign plastic tube up our penises and into our bladders. You'll need to be extra vigilant when you cath there the next time.

If you have to, do like I did and use Purell on you hands (lots of it) and squirt some on the head of your penis and even in your meatus, wait at least 30 seconds... preferably a minute and insert a new sterile catheter through the Purell. It acts as a lubricant so you may not need anything else. It may be a bit harsh on your urethral membrane and I wouldn't suggest doing it like that very often but better that than a practically guaranteed UTI of God only knows what new strain of bacteria that's lurking in that pool water and on the floor of that swimming pool restroom. Or even in the water supply that's coming out of the faucet.

Sorry to hear about your UTI. They can be very painful and a real nuisance if not taken care of with antibiotics right away. You'll probably want to get a C&S done because the bacteria came from a public unknown source. Hopefully it isn't a MRSA or VRE strain.

Good luck Slider,

Bob.

Thanks bob for the valuable input thru yr experience. my UTIs are the usual E.coli, klebsiella, etc. I dont intend to have an MRSA. That's y im sick of takin cipro, macrobid and stuff. Whenever I got a UTI , i dun feel like getting up and have lightheaded headaches and I dun feel lke driving either. I miss my 1st 8 years of SCI, i practically do anything and everything...maybe i getting old. BUT im just 28!!!

[bob clark]

Originally Posted by slider

Thanks bob for the valuable input thru yr experience. my UTIs are the usual E.coli, klebsiella, etc. I dont intend to have an MRSA. That's y im sick of takin cipro, macrobid and stuff. Whenever I got a UTI , i dun feel like getting up and have lightheaded headaches and I dun feel lke driving either. I miss my 1st 8 years of SCI, i practically do anything and everything...maybe i getting old. BUT im just 28!!!

Hi Slider,

Ya just need to be a bit more careful when you cath. Hey, a severe UTI can make even the strongest and healthiest man alive feel like a very sick little schoolgirl!

Years before I was paralyzed I read that 28 was the age at which the human body starts to physiologically go downhill. Really, it coincidentally said 28. I don't know why I remember that after all these years. It doesn't mean that you're gonna fall apart anytime soon, just that the body has plateaued in its growth. Something like it's harder or it starts to take longer for the body to replace old worn out cells with new vibrant cells on a one-to-one basis. If that makes any sense?

I hope you don't catch a MRSA or VRE strain of bacteria but they're becoming more prevelant all the time. We need some "new and improved" antibiotics because the world is becoming a much smaller place all the time. Bacteria can now travel halfway around the globe in a matter of hours on a jetliner. Who knows what the future holds?

Stay outta trouble and maybe outta that swimming pool water until it's been tested. Yeah, tested by an 18 year old acne-faced kid being paid minimum wage! And if the pool is a "for-profit" concern, no matter what the test results are, they aren't gonna close it. A whole bunch of people would need to get sick and sue it before it would be closed. Although in Singapore, that has very strict rules and laws and is a very modern country, hopefully it's different over there. I once saw the President of Singapore (maybe he's the ex-president now... I don't know... I should Google but I'm in a hurry) interviewed on TV here... a very intelligent, well-spoken man (spoke better English than me!) who brought Singapore from practical financial ruin to one of the cleanest, modern, industrial, most prosperous model countries in Asia that many other countries in the region (and the world) are now trying to emulate. I know that Vietnam is going to try the "Singapore model" to bring itself out of poverty. Way to go Singapore!

Bob.

[slider]

Originally Posted by bob clark

Hi Slider,

Ya just need to be a bit more careful when you cath. Hey, a severe UTI can make even the strongest and healthiest man alive feel like a very sick little schoolgirl!

Years before I was paralyzed I read that 28 was the age at which the human body starts to physiologically go downhill. Really, it coincidentally said 28. I don't know why I remember that after all these years. It doesn't mean that you're gonna fall apart anytime soon, just that the body has plateaued in its growth. Something like it's harder or it starts to take longer for the body to replace old worn out cells with new vibrant cells on a one-to-one basis. If that makes any sense?

I hope you don't catch a MRSA or VRE strain of bacteria but they're becoming more prevelant all the time. We need some "new and improved" antibiotics because the world is becoming a much smaller place all the time. Bacteria can now travel halfway around the globe in a matter of hours on a jetliner. Who knows what the future holds?

Stay outta trouble and maybe outta that swimming pool water until it's been tested. Yeah, tested by an 18 year old acne-faced kid being paid minimum wage! And if the pool is a "for-profit" concern, no matter what the test results are, they aren't gonna close it. A whole bunch of people would need to get sick and sue it before it would be closed. Although in Singapore, that has very strict rules and laws and is a very modern country, hopefully it's different over there. I once saw the President of Singapore (maybe he's the ex-president now... I don't know... I should Google but I'm in a hurry) interviewed on TV here... a very intelligent, well-spoken man (spoke better English than me!) who brought Singapore from practical financial ruin to one of the cleanest, modern, industrial, most prosperous model countries in Asia that many other countries in the region (and the world) are now trying to emulate. I know that Vietnam is going to try the "Singapore model" to bring itself out of poverty. Way to go Singapore!

Bob.

I think that wasnt the President. It may be the former Prime Minister that you saw on TV. If you look in the map, you'll be shocked at how small my country is. It's a teeny weeney island. Well anyway the cost of living is really high here but the public swimming pools are surely non-profit. You pay a dollar and you can practically swim untill they close or u shrivel up like a pickle. I think i need to contact and have a chat with u over IM. There's so much to ask. If u dun mind though.

[bob clark]

Originally Posted by slider

I think that wasnt the President. It may be the former Prime Minister that you saw on TV. If you look in the map, you'll be shocked at how small my country is. It's a teeny weeney island. Well anyway the cost of living is really high here but the public swimming pools are surely non-profit. You pay a dollar and you can practically swim untill they close or u shrivel up like a pickle. I think i need to contact and have a chat with u over IM. There's so much to ask. If u dun mind though.

Hi Slider,

Yes, you're right. It was your Former Prime Minister, Lee Kuan Yew and current Minister Mentor. I believe I saw him interviewed prior to 9/11/2001 on C-SPAN (Private commercial-free Political Channel over here) because I don't remember him mentioning anything about terrorism. Just about his past and what he did for Singapore to bring about its independence and its modernization. Here's an interview from less than a year ago with Charlie Rose who has a show on our Public Broadcasting System. No commercials... Yea! He said that the Singapore government foiled 7 very large truck bomb plots a little while ago. They coulda blown up the whole island!



I'll chat with you. I have Skype installed that can be used for either type or voice chat and TeamSpeak installed that's just for voice. I prefer Skype because it's private.... on TeamSpeak other people can join in on the server. And I really don't have permission to give out the TeamSpeak server address though I can/will. PM me here at CC and we can set up a time.

What IMs do you have installed?

I really don't know what I can "teach" you about SCI that you don't already know after 8 longgg years of it. You seem to be handling it better than I am!

I was just reading about Singapore's history at Wikipedia. It's amazing how every country has such an interesting and involved history. After sending the British packing in 1963 it joined the Federation of Malaysia then left it 2 years later under some ideological conflict. You've done very well on your own in the past 43 years. And that is a very small island. According to the map it looks like it's only 15 by 25 miles or less. We have many cities larger than that over here. But good things can come in small packages. Do you have free or a nationalized healthcare system over there?

I didn't know that English was the "official" language of Singapore. I read where you're trying to bring back some Chinese Mandarin into the population.



I enjoy watching the History Channel and ocassionally read a historical biography of one of the US' Founding Fathers or other US historical luminary. Keeps me busy. And not to offend you but I enjoy reading about Winston Churchill too!

Bob.