Is it over?

[CiscoNJenn]

Can someone explain what happens to HR 810? What happens when the veto stands? where does it go from there and what can we do? We are so mad right now that we want to move to another country!

[Foolish Old]

The veto message is referred back to committe. Part of the deal that allowed HR 810 to be put to a vote was that no other bills would be presented this year.

Our job is to stay positive and keep the heat on the nutjobs who have hijacked our democracy. They have proven what a determinded minority can accomplish. Let us not lose the lesson.

Foolish

[wormie]

Originally Posted by Foolish Old

The veto message is referred back to committe. Part of the deal that allowed HR 810 to be put to a vote was that no other bills would be presented this year.

Our job is to stay positive and keep the heat on the nutjobs who have hijacked our democracy. They have proven what a determinded minority can accomplish. Let us not lose the lesson.

Foolish

Like getting sci people to say the crpa is non-controversial and nothing about esc!!!!

CRPA is a bill to help paralysis efforts, it should not have been anything about using the divide to try to get some votes.

[Leif]

Since CRPA is not being voted on, put ESCR in it.

[Foolish Old]

Originally Posted by wormie

Like getting sci people to say the crpa is non-controversial and nothing about esc!!!!

CRPA is a bill to help paralysis efforts, it should not have been anything about using the divide to try to get some votes.

Wormie,

I got no beef with you, and I'm not a part of the history you seem to be dragging around these threads. But please say something new of value to the people who post here. We all have gotten your message, so please start a new thread of your own if you wish to perseverate on that subject. That way those who wish to continue that conversation can join you.

Thank you.

Foolish

[CiscoNJenn]

I want to know if it can be voted on again and if it can, when?

[Foolish Old]

Originally Posted by CiscoNJenn

I want to know if it can be voted on again and if it can, when?

The House had a vote yesterday to try to override the veto, that failed by 60 votes. It now goes back to the House Commerce Committee for further consideration. Normally, they would ammend the bill and resubmit. In order to get the majority to allow a vote on the bill, supporters of HR 810 promised that they would not bring any more stem cell legislation forward this year. The soonest it could resurface would be January, 2007.

This legislation is about more than public funding for ESCR (though that funding is vitally important to accomplish the needed basic research). Passage into law would also signal that the government is not going to suppress this line of scientific inquiry at every turn. Investors and researchers are leery of the risk of working on a project that the President calls murder.

Foolish

[Faye]

Originally Posted by Foolish Old

The soonest it could resurface would be January, 2007.

This legislation is about more than public funding for ESCR (though that funding is vitally important to accomplish the needed basic research). Passage into law would also signal that the government is not going to suppress this line of scientific inquiry at every turn. Investors and researchers are leery of the risk of working on a project that the President calls murder.

Foolish

this important research has been dwindling because of restrictions put in place by Bush five years ago.
That's half a decade we have lost. How much longer will those suffering and their families have to wait?

People can disagree in good faith on this issue, but Bush's extraordinary action doesn't meet that threshold -- it smacks of political calculation. The opportunity to save lives of people with debilitating diseases, and to reduce suffering for them and their families, requires that a president respect the will of the people and the Congress.

Join the cause supporting cure discovery:
http://www.democrats.org/curediscovery

History will judge this veto as a sad political calculation.
Just a few votes stand in the way. With your support we'll get them -- either now, or in the new Democratic Congress you elect in November.

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/stemcells

Speak Out on Stem Cell Research

George Bush has chosen political posturing over human life, denying hope to millions of Americans, their families and loved ones who are affected by debilitating diseases.

He used his first-ever veto to stop the discovery of new cures for diseases like juvenile diabetes, leukemia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and many others. More than 70% of Americans and majorities in both chambers of Congress support stem cell research. The bill he vetoed was a small, practical measure that would have made a big difference for medical research based on sound science.

Now is the time to speak out. Send a message to your representatives letting them know that you support cure discovery now:

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/stemcells

[cubsfandc]

Originally Posted by Foolish Old

The veto message is referred back to committe. Part of the deal that allowed HR 810 to be put to a vote was that no other bills would be presented this year.

Foolish

The deal saying that ESC would not be brought up again this year was in the Senate. In theory, supporters of ESC in the House could try to attach it to another bill this year, most likely the appropriations bill providing funding for the Department of Health and Human Services. If they suceeded it would go into a conference with the Senate. Of course the President would threaten to veto it and the negotiators might decide to drop it to avoid having the spending bill vetoed, but it could put the issue back in play. Diana DeGette has talked about looking for other options to advance ESC legislation.

But in all likelihood, nothing will happen until after the election. If ESC turns out to be a big issue in the election we could be in a much stronger position.

[Foolish Old]

But in all likelihood, nothing will happen until after the election. If ESC turns out to be a big issue in the election we could be in a much stronger position.[/quote]

I agree that further legislation is unlikely until after the election. It's up to us to make sure that ESCR turns out to be a big issue this fall. You know that they will try to make a Gay Marriage Ban, Flag Burning Ban, etc. the big issues.

Foolish