The State of Stem Cells, 2006

[Chris Chappell]

lay off what? - disagreement with ideas and perspective. If you will I will.

And again reviewing my four posts in this thread, where did I say claws? And I have never told anyone, including you, to shutup. However, here's a quote for you - STOP putting words in my mouth.

My way of dealing bb? So my perspectives are different and so are my ideas sometimes. I'm not entitled to voice my opinion and disagree while you've turned it into an olympic event?

You reap what you sow bb.

[Steven Edwards]

Wow, you did answer a question. I never said "bone marrow based" wasn't marketing hyperbole. I was pointing out that if one example of pointing out the source of materials was marketing hyperbole, so was the other.

I am well aware of bone marrow cells being prepped.

As to what Leif said, Geron is a company focused on bring therapies to treat humans with spinal cord injuries to market. If Geron wants to prance around as a company pushing for ESC therapies or social change, good for them. ESCs are not their product to treat spinal cord injury, so I cut through the crap to deliver accurate information.

[Faye]

Originally Posted by Steven Edwards

If Geron wants to prance around as a company pushing for ESC therapies or social change, good for them.

Wow, where is your support for scientists?

BTW your question as to how I would write "The State of Stem Cells" was also elaborately answered.

However, I make it a point not to answer questions that are meant to deflect/sidetrack from the issue being commented on.

Chris, the claw comment was made by Steven not you.

[Steven Edwards]

Originally Posted by Faye

However, I make it a point not to answer questions that are meant to deflect/sidetrack from the issue being commented on.

If I adopt the same philosophy, this will be my last reply to you.

Cheers!

[Faye]

Originally Posted by Steven Edwards

If Geron wants to prance around as a company pushing for ESC therapies or social change, good for them. ESCs are not their product to treat spinal cord injury, so I cut through the crap to deliver accurate information.

I highly commend Geron for working to repair SCI.

As you know,.....not many are.

Many other sci repair scientists are nowhere near viable treatments, ESC based or not.
Are they prancing around too?(rhetorical question)

Guess what, Geron actually has something to prance around with.

GOOD FOR THEM!!!!!

[bigbob]

Steven, whether you are a believer in christianity or not, you are entitled to have your leanings toward what type of research you prefer. I don't think someone has to abide by the teachings of the bible to form an opinion that taking a life to save another is wrong, it is common sense, or is it-Just recently, the US launched a missle attack in Pakistan where they thought there were terrorists. Over thirty people were dead after the attack and I don't hear you saying that it is not fair to kill some people even if it was a successful maneuver, without making sure there were no innocent civilians. If that is true and it didn't even raise your eyebrow, why are you so against esc? If the research community was really into the urgency and not into what the research could mean for them, or their University, there is more than enough resources to deal with all the different forms of research.

[Faye]

Originally Posted by Steven Edwards

As to what Leif said, Geron is a company focused on bring therapies to treat humans with spinal cord injuries to market. If Geron wants to prance around as a company pushing for ESC therapies or social change, good for them. ESCs are not their product to treat spinal cord injury, so I cut through the crap to deliver accurate information.

The key word you keep missing is ESC-derived!

No one says they transplant straight ESC's.

But there is no denying the product is ESC-derived

As far as social change is concerned I thinks Cells off the Shelve, or scalability is indeed a concept that will lead to social change. My hope is that the cells in a bottle concept, much like we use pharmaceuticals today, will make a wheelchair just a temporary tool for mobility.

BTW, about cutting through the crap.......I have great admiration for strong ESCR opponent James Kelly for cutting through the crap so to speak.

And being honest about his disdain for ESCR as hype to enrich the biomedical industry. ( And I have to say there is a lot of truth to that).

However I do not think he would deny that Geron's treatments were ESC-derived.

[Steven Edwards]

I apologize for attempting to reach for the, as George Daley called it, Holy Grail.

Daley: If we could understand what the egg is doing and apply it in the petri dish to the skin cell, that's the Holy Grail—that's what would give us the ability to manipulate the fate of skin cells for medical and therapeutic ends, and get away from some of these more contentious ethical issues.

[bigbob]

Off topic, but how do you direct a link to just one post-That would be nice to know so if you want someone to read something they don't have to search through the entire thread.

[Faye]

Originally Posted by Steven Edwards

I apologize for attempting to reach for the, as George Daley called it, Holy Grail.

No apology needed.

I think we all would welcome that holy grail.

Nevertheless the key excerpt from that NOVA interview was this:

Daley: Exactly. The research into these other methods is valuable in and of itself. It's important basic research. It should be funded, but it should not be funded instead of the embryonic stem cell research that we know works today. That's what's going to get us to medical insights and medical therapies the quickest.

http://carecure.org/forum/showthread...220#post391220

Reporting on what ESC derived treatments will become available, albeit in clinical trial, is par for the course when talking about the State of Stem Cell Research 2006.
Of course it is good to know that in the future there may even be better ways, ie dedifferentiation of adult cells.