Superstar/Sci-Step

rbyrd49100 · 03-21-2004, 08:10 AM

I read the thread and I am deeply disturbed by what I have seen.

I feel I have the ability to see posts with differing views and make my own decisions about things without having it made for me. I was fully ready to read all sides as I know that people have different experiences in rehab settings.

I was, that is..until I saw Anne P. write post the following..

"I can speak from personal expierence that the way you chose to treat Cody and myself on a personal level is beyond belief. Not only did you do it once but twice in and outside of therapy. We are all in the same paralyzed boat. For you to tell us how much better you and your life is than ours is unbelievable. It is my opinion that you have a problem with narcotics and alcohol which clearly clouds your mental state and behavior towards others. You are right, why should other clients respect you when you treated us so poorly to our face?

Sci-Step was about recovery and exercise. You chose not to follow the program. You have no one here to blame but yourself. You can't pick and choose when to try and get better".

This made my decision for me. For a member of a supposed professional organization to post something like this on a public forum is very wrong. And the truth is, no person from a valid organization would ever do so. They would know that they are automatically obligated to keep this info private or risk lawsuits as a result. If the thread was going to be closed it should have been here with strong words for such actions.

Instead, we see it close when Superstar posts a supportive letter from her Mom.

I want to ask Susan to start a private thread on this if that is the only way we can here about her experiences as well as the positive ones that are posted in the public forum.

Think about it, if we were not allowed to read about all experiences with different treatments half of us would have been waiting in line in Mexico for shark embryo treatments. :&gt

Russ Byrd

Chris Chappell · 03-21-2004, 10:33 AM

Yes Russell the other topic probably should've been closed earlier. My apologies.

Agreed, a private topic to discuss personal differences is more appropriate for all parties involved.

Personal attacks are not warranted regardless of subject. They should be minimized.

This is a forum about exercise and its relation to health, recovery, equipment, etc. and not about whether or not somebody did something or said something to upset someone intentionally or unitentionally. Let's try and be adults without resorting to character assassination or hyperbole.

You were "deeply disturbed" - from a thread?, on a forum?, on a website?, in cyberspace? I guess we have very different definitions of what could be considered deeply disturbing. However, to each his own.

If Superstar and the Brocks or anyone else has a personal beef then it should be resolved privately, not publicly.

What is gained by the community when members resort to verbally attacking each other? Nothing, its a waste of time and energy.

rbyrd49100 · 03-21-2004, 12:09 PM

Chris writes:
"You were "deeply disturbed" - from a thread?, on a forum?, on a website?, in cyberspace? I guess we have very different definitions of what could be considered deeply disturbing. However, to each his own."

Yes I was...and so should you be when an organization publicly posts private "facts" about a patient. But, to each his own.

I don't like seeing the personal attacks, but I believe an individual absolutely should have a right to say whether or not a specific excercise program was effective or not AND how they were treated in that program. I want to hear both the good results and the bad.

How about a comparison between other excercise programs of a similar nature?

Russ Byrd

Sfajt · 03-21-2004, 12:41 PM

Russel,

I thank you for your courage, i could not agree with your statements more..

There is another person who will want to write the experiences which occured at sci-step, but it is not my place to copy/paste a letter from a stranger.. It will be posted, i assure you of this, unfourtunatly the timing is wrong for now.

Chris the moderator, In NO way am i seeking symapthy because of the stupid lies that where written because of my response to a question..
What are you thinking? My mother loves me and i thought it was a beautiful letter and felt like sharing it.. if that in your eyes makes me look as if i am seeking symapthy, you do not know me at all!!!!!

Perhaps you should look into all of my posts not just a beautiful letter.. I have done my best to keep the care cure community informed of what i feel is best to undergo for us to find a cure and will continue to till the day I die!!

Rick1 · 03-21-2004, 04:02 PM

I am under the impression that Anne P. is a participant at Sci-Step, and not a member of the staff. As such, her words should not be taken to represent the official position of Sci-Step. As far as I can tell, Michele Brock, who is the director, has posted nothing derogatory about Susan (Superstar), nor has she betrayed any confidences, during this little fray.

Sfajt · 03-21-2004, 06:00 PM

Rick,

Anne Phipps, PrincessAnne, Anne P and what other user names she goes by does in fact recieve a paycheck and has an office in sci-step. She is co-owner.

Tim Armstrong · 03-21-2004, 11:39 PM

Chris Chappell,(moderator)
I have followed Superstars postings for quite a while and do not understand your resonings for trying to hurt her more. As a moderator you would think that people in our circumstances would like to hear the truth. If it upsets you and you think she is asking for sympathy (which i do not to believe to be true after the posts) then i feel you should be more compasionate. Her mother could be on to something.... I have children and never want them to suffer the way i, we do!
Superstar has done nothing but help me with hope for the future and i dislike your feelings and remarks very much! What you could have done and did are two different things.

Take care everyone..
Many prayers are with you Superstar!
Tim

michele b · 03-22-2004, 05:53 AM

Thank you Russell.

I feel the need to step in professionally. Again,you are mistaken Superstar. Anne does have a computer and belongings at Sci-Step. You forget the main reason we leased that facility in the first place. She ran a marketing company out of one side of the building and the two of us trained on the other side, long before Sci-Step was created.

When she made recovery her full-time job, her company folded. Her office items still remain as we do use them for Sci-Step. She has never received any money from Sci-Step. You are very mistaken on that issue. You are also aware of the status of her marriage, which should not even be taken into account as it is not a factor. It is sad that I am even having to address these things.

Sci-Step was created as a result of her accident. Without her, we would not be there. We purchased the majority of equipment for her and I. Once we began to see results with her recovery, we decided to open a facility in order to share the wonderful equipment with other SCI. Although her husband holds the title of owner, and I am the director, she is involved in the big decision since she played a huge role in its creation. As you know, I run the day-to-day operations alone.

I do not agree with specific postings from either of you. I have asked on several occasions that they be removed by both parties. I can't control what is said, I put my faith in the moderators to step in if things cross the line.

In repsonse to Steven, I do wish the best for her and what her future holds. I believe she has tons of potential. Superstar, I told you that the day you left. Things did not work out for you in Ohio but you know how much I cared and what I did for you both in and out of the facility.

I hope that the negative exchange of words stop.

Michele

[This message was edited by Michele Brock on 03-22-04 at 10:30 AM.]

Andy · 03-22-2004, 06:24 AM

I dunno, when the wife of the owner of a 'medical' establishment goes on the internet and tells of alleged substance abuse problems of a 'patient', that doesnt sound right to me.

Steven Edwards · 03-22-2004, 07:04 AM

In defense of Chris, I don't believe he is saying experiences and opinions about such facilities shouldn't be discussed, rather that the personal attacks shouldn't happen.

Not speaking for him, but if Superstar posted something saying that she didn't have a good experience at SciStep and had personal issues with some of the staff there, I believe that would have been allowed. She could have then asked people to email her privately if they wanted to know more.

Likewise, Michele could have written that their program was right for most people, but things didn't work out with Superstar but she wished her well in her future efforts.

Like I said, I'm not speaking for Chris, but I feel the thread was deteriorating and was closed to prevent further attacks.

For reference, the SciStep hierarchy appears to look like this:

Mr. Phipps - Owner
Michele Brock - Director

From the looks of things, Anne Phipps appears to maintain an advisory/consultant role in the "big decisions", which could be argued either way as to whether or not she is involved with the facility.

-Steven
"Sometimes, its enough to plant the seed, walk away, and let the flower grow on its own."

03-21-2004, 08:10 AM	#1
rbyrd49100 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 515	Superstar/Sci-Step I read the thread and I am deeply disturbed by what I have seen. I feel I have the ability to see posts with differing views and make my own decisions about things without having it made for me. I was fully ready to read all sides as I know that people have different experiences in rehab settings. I was, that is..until I saw Anne P. write post the following.. "I can speak from personal expierence that the way you chose to treat Cody and myself on a personal level is beyond belief. Not only did you do it once but twice in and outside of therapy. We are all in the same paralyzed boat. For you to tell us how much better you and your life is than ours is unbelievable. It is my opinion that you have a problem with narcotics and alcohol which clearly clouds your mental state and behavior towards others. You are right, why should other clients respect you when you treated us so poorly to our face? Sci-Step was about recovery and exercise. You chose not to follow the program. You have no one here to blame but yourself. You can't pick and choose when to try and get better". This made my decision for me. For a member of a supposed professional organization to post something like this on a public forum is very wrong. And the truth is, no person from a valid organization would ever do so. They would know that they are automatically obligated to keep this info private or risk lawsuits as a result. If the thread was going to be closed it should have been here with strong words for such actions. Instead, we see it close when Superstar posts a supportive letter from her Mom. I want to ask Susan to start a private thread on this if that is the only way we can here about her experiences as well as the positive ones that are posted in the public forum. Think about it, if we were not allowed to read about all experiences with different treatments half of us would have been waiting in line in Mexico for shark embryo treatments. :&gt Russ Byrd

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03-21-2004, 10:33 AM	#2
Chris Chappell Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 7,035	Yes Russell the other topic probably should've been closed earlier. My apologies. Agreed, a private topic to discuss personal differences is more appropriate for all parties involved. Personal attacks are not warranted regardless of subject. They should be minimized. This is a forum about exercise and its relation to health, recovery, equipment, etc. and not about whether or not somebody did something or said something to upset someone intentionally or unitentionally. Let's try and be adults without resorting to character assassination or hyperbole. You were "deeply disturbed" - from a thread?, on a forum?, on a website?, in cyberspace? I guess we have very different definitions of what could be considered deeply disturbing. However, to each his own. If Superstar and the Brocks or anyone else has a personal beef then it should be resolved privately, not publicly. What is gained by the community when members resort to verbally attacking each other? Nothing, its a waste of time and energy.

03-21-2004, 12:09 PM	#3
rbyrd49100 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 515	Chris writes: "You were "deeply disturbed" - from a thread?, on a forum?, on a website?, in cyberspace? I guess we have very different definitions of what could be considered deeply disturbing. However, to each his own." Yes I was...and so should you be when an organization publicly posts private "facts" about a patient. But, to each his own. I don't like seeing the personal attacks, but I believe an individual absolutely should have a right to say whether or not a specific excercise program was effective or not AND how they were treated in that program. I want to hear both the good results and the bad. How about a comparison between other excercise programs of a similar nature? Russ Byrd

03-21-2004, 12:41 PM	#4
Sfajt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 579	Russel, I thank you for your courage, i could not agree with your statements more.. There is another person who will want to write the experiences which occured at sci-step, but it is not my place to copy/paste a letter from a stranger.. It will be posted, i assure you of this, unfourtunatly the timing is wrong for now. Chris the moderator, In NO way am i seeking symapthy because of the stupid lies that where written because of my response to a question.. What are you thinking? My mother loves me and i thought it was a beautiful letter and felt like sharing it.. if that in your eyes makes me look as if i am seeking symapthy, you do not know me at all!!!!! Perhaps you should look into all of my posts not just a beautiful letter.. I have done my best to keep the care cure community informed of what i feel is best to undergo for us to find a cure and will continue to till the day I die!!

03-21-2004, 04:02 PM	#5
Rick1 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 697	I am under the impression that Anne P. is a participant at Sci-Step, and not a member of the staff. As such, her words should not be taken to represent the official position of Sci-Step. As far as I can tell, Michele Brock, who is the director, has posted nothing derogatory about Susan (Superstar), nor has she betrayed any confidences, during this little fray.

03-21-2004, 06:00 PM	#6
Sfajt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 579	Rick, Anne Phipps, PrincessAnne, Anne P and what other user names she goes by does in fact recieve a paycheck and has an office in sci-step. She is co-owner.

03-21-2004, 11:39 PM	#7
Tim Armstrong Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oklahoma City, OK USA Posts: 3	Chris Chappell,(moderator) I have followed Superstars postings for quite a while and do not understand your resonings for trying to hurt her more. As a moderator you would think that people in our circumstances would like to hear the truth. If it upsets you and you think she is asking for sympathy (which i do not to believe to be true after the posts) then i feel you should be more compasionate. Her mother could be on to something.... I have children and never want them to suffer the way i, we do! Superstar has done nothing but help me with hope for the future and i dislike your feelings and remarks very much! What you could have done and did are two different things. Take care everyone.. Many prayers are with you Superstar! Tim

03-22-2004, 05:53 AM	#8
michele b Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Mason, Ohio Posts: 241	Thank you Russell. I feel the need to step in professionally. Again,you are mistaken Superstar. Anne does have a computer and belongings at Sci-Step. You forget the main reason we leased that facility in the first place. She ran a marketing company out of one side of the building and the two of us trained on the other side, long before Sci-Step was created. When she made recovery her full-time job, her company folded. Her office items still remain as we do use them for Sci-Step. She has never received any money from Sci-Step. You are very mistaken on that issue. You are also aware of the status of her marriage, which should not even be taken into account as it is not a factor. It is sad that I am even having to address these things. Sci-Step was created as a result of her accident. Without her, we would not be there. We purchased the majority of equipment for her and I. Once we began to see results with her recovery, we decided to open a facility in order to share the wonderful equipment with other SCI. Although her husband holds the title of owner, and I am the director, she is involved in the big decision since she played a huge role in its creation. As you know, I run the day-to-day operations alone. I do not agree with specific postings from either of you. I have asked on several occasions that they be removed by both parties. I can't control what is said, I put my faith in the moderators to step in if things cross the line. In repsonse to Steven, I do wish the best for her and what her future holds. I believe she has tons of potential. Superstar, I told you that the day you left. Things did not work out for you in Ohio but you know how much I cared and what I did for you both in and out of the facility. I hope that the negative exchange of words stop. Michele [This message was edited by Michele Brock on 03-22-04 at 10:30 AM.]

03-22-2004, 06:24 AM	#9
Andy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 4,648	I dunno, when the wife of the owner of a 'medical' establishment goes on the internet and tells of alleged substance abuse problems of a 'patient', that doesnt sound right to me.

03-22-2004, 07:04 AM	#10
Steven Edwards Administrator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Acme Labs Posts: 15,530	In defense of Chris, I don't believe he is saying experiences and opinions about such facilities shouldn't be discussed, rather that the personal attacks shouldn't happen. Not speaking for him, but if Superstar posted something saying that she didn't have a good experience at SciStep and had personal issues with some of the staff there, I believe that would have been allowed. She could have then asked people to email her privately if they wanted to know more. Likewise, Michele could have written that their program was right for most people, but things didn't work out with Superstar but she wished her well in her future efforts. Like I said, I'm not speaking for Chris, but I feel the thread was deteriorating and was closed to prevent further attacks. For reference, the SciStep hierarchy appears to look like this: Mr. Phipps - Owner Michele Brock - Director From the looks of things, Anne Phipps appears to maintain an advisory/consultant role in the "big decisions", which could be argued either way as to whether or not she is involved with the facility. -Steven "Sometimes, its enough to plant the seed, walk away, and let the flower grow on its own."