peripheral nerve re-routeing surgery in March,2003

Tifani · 12-13-2002, 09:01 AM

Anyone like to donate $1.00 for Scott Hobbs to go to China to undergo a surgery that will restore upper mobility (C-4C-5 complete). Scott will be the first american patient to have this done and this will open so many doors for the American Medical Community.This surgery is ultimately for everyone with SCI.
Bank of America Acct#004797488025 for Scott Hobbs
Thank You for your generosity and time
Tifani Hobbs- Houston, Texas
tifanihobbs@yahoo.com

salmanilla · 12-27-2002, 04:07 PM

I was hoping you could share any information on this procedure with me. Who, what, where, when and how much. How many times will they inject the cultured peripheral cells into the injury site? I don't know the reliability of the spinal cord regeneration center in Mexico but they claimed to shoot cells into the injury site every two weeks. This makes sense to me being that it is hard to imagine all of transferred cells surviving. I know someone who went to Ecuador for a similar procedure using peripheral cells as well but the only injected them once. He said he felt in improvement at first but there was no significant change. Another thing is they removed a cyst from this injury site. I don't know details and I'm wondering if it might have regrow. The technique they speak of in Mexico they put a shunt in a cyst so any fluid will drain away from the area. I was told by one of my physicians that if they removed the scar tissue from my neck without replacing it with something (stem cells, peripheral cells, olfactory cells) the scar tissue would just grow back. Have you looked into what they are doing in Portugal and Australia with olfactory cells? I have heard that they are having great success! I have heard that a woman at the level C-seven started we gaining stomach muscles after four weeks and after six months was standing and either making or trying to makes steps. The Christopher Reeve Resource Center confirmed this to me but the information they sent did not mention any results so I'm still looking. I would hate to see you go through so much time, energy and money with little results. The theories are there a and sound, we are going to function again!! I absolutely have to!!! I'm willing to try anything but with so many things to try now we actually have options. What I read on the olfactory tests trials it is little or no money out of pocket. At any rate I wish you all the lucky in the world and can't wait to hear what progress you make! It is these little bits of information from folks such as yourself that help keep me going.

Chris Chappell · 12-27-2002, 06:43 PM

Tifani, people give and receive information on CareCure. That's how we learn. Since you're asking for money please share some details. Maybe others are interested as well. Or are you keeping this quiet / private?

I'm sure many would be willing to donate and may offer some insight if we knew what was being attempted towards Scott's procedure / recovery. Please provide more details as salmanilla suggested.

Thanks.

Fortitudine Vincimus
(Through endurance we conquer)

Tifani · 12-28-2002, 01:33 PM

Salmanilla
There will be nothing injected in to my husband's spinal cord.Peripheral nerve re-routing is just that. Nerves,i.e. cervical & brachial plexus and brachial nerves are re-routed. you can go to www.healingtherapies.info, and recieve more info. on Dr. Zhang's surgery. There is a Dr. doing some stem cell injections in the spinal cord in Ecuador. I believe his name is Kao, or Mayo. I am not sure. I have seen two of his patients, one in Dallas, Texas at Baylor Rehab and another one at HealthSouth in Houston, Texas. I did not see any return whatso ever. it is a very expensive surgery and this was the first thing I looked at when my husband Scott, got hurt. I actually found people to show me the return. None! That really kind of discouraged me because this injury is so horrible. Scott is a C4-C5 complete. I still did not give up. Kept looking and searching and ran across a article in the PVA MAGAZINE. I flew to florida in October to Meet with the chinese doctor. They were having a neuro conference and he was coming for it. I jumped on it. He examined Scott, looked at all MRI's and EMG-nerve studies and agreed to perform the surgery. The flight to china is very long. Scott.s body will have to be very strong to indure this flight. He will make the flight as his body is strong. We will be there about 3 months. We will stay in a clinic there at the hospital. I have talked to a lady that had this Dr. perform the surgery on her daughter and I don't know all the details, but he helped her get up. She was para. Scott will be the first american quad to hve this done and I know in my heart that he will regain the use of his hands. I prayed on the trip to Florida. I asked that if this was not to be and a flux to not let us go. We were there. Everything o.k. I am praying on the trip to China in the same way. You are not supposed to put faith in a man but the man upstairs. I beleive the man upstairs works through these Dr's. There is so much research going on but no cure. I have little faith in the things that are going on for C.Reeves. Fetal cloning will not be approved here in the U.S. To many people against aborations and all kinds of political stuff. I know that some good things are happening for C.Reeves, but he can't breathe on his own. I hate to be negative on this but He needs to be able to breathe before his fingers and feet start moving. His foundation has brought SCI to light. His foundation is good. I am discouraged because he has been injured for so long and still not functioning. Hopefully I will be able to raise the money to take Scott in March so that so many others can be helped. If the United States can't do it, then let's all stick together in bringing the foreign medical communtites procedures here.It will take some time but, ultimately, I think it will happen if we all stick togehter. You can email me at tifanihobbs@yahoo.com for more info

Tifani

Chris Chappell · 12-28-2002, 02:40 PM

Thank you Tifani. Great info. Best of luck to you and Scott. Please keep us posted on your progress.

Peace and recovery.

Btw, How much for the surgery? travel? hotel,etc? What part of China are you going?

I think that Dr. Y was just meeting with Dr. Zhang?

Fortitudine Vincimus
(Through endurance we conquer)

Tifani · 12-28-2002, 04:20 PM

Chris, Thank you for your interest. I have been digging and researching this procedure for a long time. The travel is the most expensive part. It is about 8-10.000.00 for a round trip ticket. He has to fly business class so that he can lay down, as the trip to Shangai is a very lenghty one. The clinic stay is 3 months at 60.00 per day, and the surgery is about 2500.00.Then we will have living cost while we are there. If you know someone that might be able to help with the travel that would really help us out. If I did not think that Dr. Zhang could not help Scott, I would never consider this lengthy stay in China. this surgery is for all who have these horrible injuries and I will never stop until they (U.S.) starts doing this procedure, we must go there. Scott is willing to be the forefront for this procedure.Ultimately helping alot of people paralyzed. By the way, who is Dr. Y ? I would love to talk to you more in depth. What do you think the likely hood for us getting the donations for the trip to China? Please let me know.

Thank You
Tifani Hobbs
tifanihobbs@yahoo.com

muirhead@kyonline.net · 02-01-2003, 12:09 AM

How does this surgery help paraplegics, and how many paaraplegic has it been performed on?
What is the success rate on paralized people? Do you have a phone number where individuals can call and speak to those who do this surgery? I do wish you the best, and I cannot wait to hear the end of this story.

chad5606@yahoo.com

Take Care,

Muirhead

shorty · 04-13-2003, 05:16 PM

Hi, I'm also a C4-C5 quad. I'm curious to find out how much movement Scott has? I'd like to know when and how the surgery goes. I have limited movement in my left bicep and shoulder and little movement in my right shoulder. If this surgery is successful it sounds like something I could benefit from.
I tried looking up the website you listed but I wasn't able to get through. Is there another website address I can check out?
I wish you best of luck!
Shorty
shorty19@cox.net

Tifani · 04-23-2003, 09:09 PM

I would like to let everyone know that our trip to Shanghai, China has been postponed due to the SARS scare. We would like to thank everyone that donated for Scott to go have this surgery. We are scheduled to depart Houston, May, 15, 2003. Hopefully we will be able to get out. We are very excited at what the chinese surgeon, DR. Zhang has to offer. He is a very gifted and talented surgeon. We are trying to bring one of his students in to the Houston Medical Center for one year. The doors are being opened. We will keep everyone posted on how the surgeries go and what Scott gets back.

Again, Thank You,
Tifani

Chris Chappell · 05-21-2003, 11:20 AM

Tifani, best of luck - you should be in China by now based on your last post.

Please keep us informed.

I am very anxious to hear about your experience.

Praying for you guys.

12-13-2002, 09:01 AM	#1
Tifani Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Spurger, texas U.S. Posts: 16	peripheral nerve re-routeing surgery in March,2003 Anyone like to donate $1.00 for Scott Hobbs to go to China to undergo a surgery that will restore upper mobility (C-4C-5 complete). Scott will be the first american patient to have this done and this will open so many doors for the American Medical Community.This surgery is ultimately for everyone with SCI. Bank of America Acct#004797488025 for Scott Hobbs Thank You for your generosity and time Tifani Hobbs- Houston, Texas tifanihobbs@yahoo.com

12-27-2002, 04:07 PM	#2
salmanilla Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 10	Tifani I was hoping you could share any information on this procedure with me. Who, what, where, when and how much. How many times will they inject the cultured peripheral cells into the injury site? I don't know the reliability of the spinal cord regeneration center in Mexico but they claimed to shoot cells into the injury site every two weeks. This makes sense to me being that it is hard to imagine all of transferred cells surviving. I know someone who went to Ecuador for a similar procedure using peripheral cells as well but the only injected them once. He said he felt in improvement at first but there was no significant change. Another thing is they removed a cyst from this injury site. I don't know details and I'm wondering if it might have regrow. The technique they speak of in Mexico they put a shunt in a cyst so any fluid will drain away from the area. I was told by one of my physicians that if they removed the scar tissue from my neck without replacing it with something (stem cells, peripheral cells, olfactory cells) the scar tissue would just grow back. Have you looked into what they are doing in Portugal and Australia with olfactory cells? I have heard that they are having great success! I have heard that a woman at the level C-seven started we gaining stomach muscles after four weeks and after six months was standing and either making or trying to makes steps. The Christopher Reeve Resource Center confirmed this to me but the information they sent did not mention any results so I'm still looking. I would hate to see you go through so much time, energy and money with little results. The theories are there a and sound, we are going to function again!! I absolutely have to!!! I'm willing to try anything but with so many things to try now we actually have options. What I read on the olfactory tests trials it is little or no money out of pocket. At any rate I wish you all the lucky in the world and can't wait to hear what progress you make! It is these little bits of information from folks such as yourself that help keep me going.

12-28-2002, 01:33 PM	#4
Tifani Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Spurger, texas U.S. Posts: 16	nerve re-routing Salmanilla There will be nothing injected in to my husband's spinal cord.Peripheral nerve re-routing is just that. Nerves,i.e. cervical & brachial plexus and brachial nerves are re-routed. you can go to www.healingtherapies.info, and recieve more info. on Dr. Zhang's surgery. There is a Dr. doing some stem cell injections in the spinal cord in Ecuador. I believe his name is Kao, or Mayo. I am not sure. I have seen two of his patients, one in Dallas, Texas at Baylor Rehab and another one at HealthSouth in Houston, Texas. I did not see any return whatso ever. it is a very expensive surgery and this was the first thing I looked at when my husband Scott, got hurt. I actually found people to show me the return. None! That really kind of discouraged me because this injury is so horrible. Scott is a C4-C5 complete. I still did not give up. Kept looking and searching and ran across a article in the PVA MAGAZINE. I flew to florida in October to Meet with the chinese doctor. They were having a neuro conference and he was coming for it. I jumped on it. He examined Scott, looked at all MRI's and EMG-nerve studies and agreed to perform the surgery. The flight to china is very long. Scott.s body will have to be very strong to indure this flight. He will make the flight as his body is strong. We will be there about 3 months. We will stay in a clinic there at the hospital. I have talked to a lady that had this Dr. perform the surgery on her daughter and I don't know all the details, but he helped her get up. She was para. Scott will be the first american quad to hve this done and I know in my heart that he will regain the use of his hands. I prayed on the trip to Florida. I asked that if this was not to be and a flux to not let us go. We were there. Everything o.k. I am praying on the trip to China in the same way. You are not supposed to put faith in a man but the man upstairs. I beleive the man upstairs works through these Dr's. There is so much research going on but no cure. I have little faith in the things that are going on for C.Reeves. Fetal cloning will not be approved here in the U.S. To many people against aborations and all kinds of political stuff. I know that some good things are happening for C.Reeves, but he can't breathe on his own. I hate to be negative on this but He needs to be able to breathe before his fingers and feet start moving. His foundation has brought SCI to light. His foundation is good. I am discouraged because he has been injured for so long and still not functioning. Hopefully I will be able to raise the money to take Scott in March so that so many others can be helped. If the United States can't do it, then let's all stick together in bringing the foreign medical communtites procedures here.It will take some time but, ultimately, I think it will happen if we all stick togehter. You can email me at tifanihobbs@yahoo.com for more info Tifani

12-28-2002, 04:20 PM	#6
Tifani Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Spurger, texas U.S. Posts: 16	Scott Hobbs surgery in Shangai Chris, Thank you for your interest. I have been digging and researching this procedure for a long time. The travel is the most expensive part. It is about 8-10.000.00 for a round trip ticket. He has to fly business class so that he can lay down, as the trip to Shangai is a very lenghty one. The clinic stay is 3 months at 60.00 per day, and the surgery is about 2500.00.Then we will have living cost while we are there. If you know someone that might be able to help with the travel that would really help us out. If I did not think that Dr. Zhang could not help Scott, I would never consider this lengthy stay in China. this surgery is for all who have these horrible injuries and I will never stop until they (U.S.) starts doing this procedure, we must go there. Scott is willing to be the forefront for this procedure.Ultimately helping alot of people paralyzed. By the way, who is Dr. Y ? I would love to talk to you more in depth. What do you think the likely hood for us getting the donations for the trip to China? Please let me know. Thank You Tifani Hobbs tifanihobbs@yahoo.com

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12-27-2002, 06:43 PM	#3
Chris Chappell Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 7,035	Tifani, people give and receive information on CareCure. That's how we learn. Since you're asking for money please share some details. Maybe others are interested as well. Or are you keeping this quiet / private? I'm sure many would be willing to donate and may offer some insight if we knew what was being attempted towards Scott's procedure / recovery. Please provide more details as salmanilla suggested. Thanks. Fortitudine Vincimus (Through endurance we conquer)

12-28-2002, 02:40 PM	#5
Chris Chappell Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 7,035	Thank you Tifani. Great info. Best of luck to you and Scott. Please keep us posted on your progress. Peace and recovery. Btw, How much for the surgery? travel? hotel,etc? What part of China are you going? I think that Dr. Y was just meeting with Dr. Zhang? Fortitudine Vincimus (Through endurance we conquer)

02-01-2003, 12:09 AM	#7
muirhead@kyonline.net Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4	How does this surgery help paraplegics, and how many paaraplegic has it been performed on? What is the success rate on paralized people? Do you have a phone number where individuals can call and speak to those who do this surgery? I do wish you the best, and I cannot wait to hear the end of this story. chad5606@yahoo.com Take Care, Muirhead

04-13-2003, 05:16 PM	#8
shorty Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3	Hi, I'm also a C4-C5 quad. I'm curious to find out how much movement Scott has? I'd like to know when and how the surgery goes. I have limited movement in my left bicep and shoulder and little movement in my right shoulder. If this surgery is successful it sounds like something I could benefit from. I tried looking up the website you listed but I wasn't able to get through. Is there another website address I can check out? I wish you best of luck! Shorty shorty19@cox.net

04-23-2003, 09:09 PM	#9
Tifani Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Spurger, texas U.S. Posts: 16	I would like to let everyone know that our trip to Shanghai, China has been postponed due to the SARS scare. We would like to thank everyone that donated for Scott to go have this surgery. We are scheduled to depart Houston, May, 15, 2003. Hopefully we will be able to get out. We are very excited at what the chinese surgeon, DR. Zhang has to offer. He is a very gifted and talented surgeon. We are trying to bring one of his students in to the Houston Medical Center for one year. The doors are being opened. We will keep everyone posted on how the surgeries go and what Scott gets back. Again, Thank You, Tifani

05-21-2003, 11:20 AM	#10
Chris Chappell Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 7,035	Tifani, best of luck - you should be in China by now based on your last post. Please keep us informed. I am very anxious to hear about your experience. Praying for you guys.