Dr. Young is it true only 12 students in wheelchairs attend Rutgers? - Page 22

betheny · 06-01-2005, 04:27 PM

Yep, with 12 students wheelchair basketball would have to be compulsory to form a team ROFL.

Here's a suggestion-Hang out, get to know some of the students. Ask THEM what the problem is. If Rutgers is wheelchair unfriendly, the students in wheelchairs will know what needs to be addressed. Any other approach is just speculation and kind of reeks of conspiracy theory.

One other idea is to rent a wheelchair and cruise around campus. I'll pay 25.00 towards the rental if money is an issue. Take your son. It doesn't take long for a chair user to figure out where the problems are.

How much time are you willing to invest in your cause, Bob?

"...I mean the wheelchair would be a thing in the past
And us quads can talk about the past and laugh"-Professirx
http://unite2fightparalysis.org/

Sue Pendleton · 06-01-2005, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigB:

Sue,
You bring up a great point!
Universities are always looking for grants. They even teach how to fill out a grant request effectively.

No grant application needed. You just have to come pick it up. Our local community college already has one. So, it's all yours Bob. Email is on my profile and I'll send directions when you write.

Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."

bigbob · 06-01-2005, 07:13 PM

Save your 25 dollars betheny.(It would be better used for the transportation of Sue's gym equipment if they want it)

No reason I should have to go incognito like Jack Nickleson did in "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest".
But, if I did how would I find any of these suspected 12 wheelchair students? Would they be at the disability resource center? nope cause there ain't one. Maybe try the adaptive gym, nope ain't one either.
I have been to Rutgers several times and have not noticed a student in a wheelchair-The only people I saw in wheelchairs at Rutgers were in Dr. Young's open house, and the 2000 Junior National Wheelchair Championships who used the Rutgers facility-Inspite of the hilly terrain Jeff warns of

PS Sue P thanks for the offer but I don't know if They want it.

[This message was edited by BigB on 06-01-05 at 10:29 PM.]

betheny · 06-01-2005, 09:09 PM

No, I didn't mean incognito, I meant to see for yourself what the obstacles are. Things are different from chair level.

That way if you couldn't find any of the 12 you could probably still figure out if there's an accessibility problem.

"...I mean the wheelchair would be a thing in the past
And us quads can talk about the past and laugh"-Professirx
http://unite2fightparalysis.org/

bigbob · 06-02-2005, 06:26 AM

I don't think accessibility is or would be the only issue.

I do wonder about different resources, such as a welcome environment, including a DRC, and related activities.

What I would like to know is, if the numbers are so low, what the cause is. Are there any programs that reach out to High School students in wheelchairs to help convey to them that they are more than welcome to continue their education, and what is available for them?

From my own experience, some High Schools didn't have a clue as to address the needs of a student in a wheelchair, while others did rather well.

I also feel that ADA and IDEA has given us a false sense of security that all is being done to offer a reasonable package.

chick · 06-02-2005, 06:53 AM

Bob, do you truly not understand WHY young disabled children, young adults and adults, are NOT going to school and recieving education at ALL levels - primary/secondary/higher?

btw Sue's offer sounds pretty good. Even if you dont think they'd want it, you won't know til you ask, but even if they don't need/want it, some other org/center might, so you can try looking into who can find use for it. If Rutgers or any other org doesn't want it or feel it's neccessary, then may need to find out why.

bigbob · 06-02-2005, 11:00 AM

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chick
Member
Bob, do you truly not understand WHY young disabled children, young adults and adults, are NOT going to school and recieving education at ALL levels - primary/secondary/higher?

Chick please explain what you believe to be the reason?

bigbob · 06-02-2005, 03:43 PM

Chick, or anyone else, I'd really like to hear why you believe Disabled Children aren't getting an education. Also, for clarity, please inform if you are talking about learning disabilities, lack of sight, hearing, or mobility or any other physical or emotional area.

Sue Pendleton · 06-02-2005, 11:28 PM

Try calling the main director for the gymnasiums or the coach of the weight lifting team. Geez, I'm a dumb muscleless girl (DA think) and I found several places that use them but had their own and 2 YMCAs had this model so it is a clinical job with 200 pounds in 10 pound increments.

No one need bust a blood vessel in their brains on why kids aren't in schools at many levels. My old junior high is now a low income senior apartment building with the auditorium being restored for community events (best acoustics in southern Wisconsin). It was built as part of the Carnegie Foundation back around 1910. It had 4 stories and one very unreliable elevator. Students who used mobility aids were farmed out while a new school was built on a single level for classrooms. Good outcome all around.

Where I live now the state sued the county when they wanted to expand a segregated for severely disabled kids school. The state cited the Rehab Act, IDEA and Olmstead. The parents of the kids about rioted. The school taught the kids how to live in group or shared homes. It had 2 apartments inside for those getting ready to recieve their certificate of completion and move out into the world. Now they get less one on one attention and few will ever work even in a protected work place or learn enough to live outside an institution. But they will learn how to fingerpaint and sing.. The program that had many volunteering at the local hospital also died because the money that went for transportation is now going to OTs for a lot of different schools.

Sometimes inclusion is great. In this case, the inclusion was to be into the community not into a classroom where they are judged by their AB peers and by a system that includes a bell curve.

Look at the older areas of cities. The schools were built up not out. This holds true of some of our best universities. I don't know how some quads and paras do manage school. To handle a full class load and do sports? I would be flunking out faster than from Party 101 and 102.

Oh, you might ask the nearest CIL what their estimate is of wheelers who attend Rutgers. It may be closer to reality.

Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."

bigbob · 06-03-2005, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Oh, you might ask the nearest CIL what their estimate is of wheelers who attend Rutgers. It may be closer to reality.

Sue
I called the center for independent living, they told me to call the one in my county, that one told me to call the one in the county that Rutgers is in. I called, they said I should call Rutgers Disability Support Services, I did. I asked how many wheelchair students attend Rutgers, I was told 10.

I asked them if they had an adaptive rec. program, they didn't know if they did or didn't

Shouldn't they know?

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06-01-2005, 04:27 PM	#211
betheny Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oklahoma,USA Posts: 18,333	Yep, with 12 students wheelchair basketball would have to be compulsory to form a team ROFL. Here's a suggestion-Hang out, get to know some of the students. Ask THEM what the problem is. If Rutgers is wheelchair unfriendly, the students in wheelchairs will know what needs to be addressed. Any other approach is just speculation and kind of reeks of conspiracy theory. One other idea is to rent a wheelchair and cruise around campus. I'll pay 25.00 towards the rental if money is an issue. Take your son. It doesn't take long for a chair user to figure out where the problems are. How much time are you willing to invest in your cause, Bob? "...I mean the wheelchair would be a thing in the past And us quads can talk about the past and laugh"-Professirx http://unite2fightparalysis.org/

06-01-2005, 07:13 PM	#213
bigbob Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,005	Save your 25 dollars betheny.(It would be better used for the transportation of Sue's gym equipment if they want it) No reason I should have to go incognito like Jack Nickleson did in "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest". But, if I did how would I find any of these suspected 12 wheelchair students? Would they be at the disability resource center? nope cause there ain't one. Maybe try the adaptive gym, nope ain't one either. I have been to Rutgers several times and have not noticed a student in a wheelchair-The only people I saw in wheelchairs at Rutgers were in Dr. Young's open house, and the 2000 Junior National Wheelchair Championships who used the Rutgers facility-Inspite of the hilly terrain Jeff warns of PS Sue P thanks for the offer but I don't know if They want it. [This message was edited by BigB on 06-01-05 at 10:29 PM.]

06-01-2005, 09:09 PM	#214
betheny Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oklahoma,USA Posts: 18,333	No, I didn't mean incognito, I meant to see for yourself what the obstacles are. Things are different from chair level. That way if you couldn't find any of the 12 you could probably still figure out if there's an accessibility problem. "...I mean the wheelchair would be a thing in the past And us quads can talk about the past and laugh"-Professirx http://unite2fightparalysis.org/

06-02-2005, 06:26 AM	#215
bigbob Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,005	I don't think accessibility is or would be the only issue. I do wonder about different resources, such as a welcome environment, including a DRC, and related activities. What I would like to know is, if the numbers are so low, what the cause is. Are there any programs that reach out to High School students in wheelchairs to help convey to them that they are more than welcome to continue their education, and what is available for them? From my own experience, some High Schools didn't have a clue as to address the needs of a student in a wheelchair, while others did rather well. I also feel that ADA and IDEA has given us a false sense of security that all is being done to offer a reasonable package.

06-02-2005, 06:53 AM	#216
chick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,685	Bob, do you truly not understand WHY young disabled children, young adults and adults, are NOT going to school and recieving education at ALL levels - primary/secondary/higher? btw Sue's offer sounds pretty good. Even if you dont think they'd want it, you won't know til you ask, but even if they don't need/want it, some other org/center might, so you can try looking into who can find use for it. If Rutgers or any other org doesn't want it or feel it's neccessary, then may need to find out why.

06-02-2005, 03:43 PM	#218
bigbob Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,005	Chick, or anyone else, I'd really like to hear why you believe Disabled Children aren't getting an education. Also, for clarity, please inform if you are talking about learning disabilities, lack of sight, hearing, or mobility or any other physical or emotional area.

06-02-2005, 11:28 PM	#219
Sue Pendleton Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 9,114	Try calling the main director for the gymnasiums or the coach of the weight lifting team. Geez, I'm a dumb muscleless girl (DA think) and I found several places that use them but had their own and 2 YMCAs had this model so it is a clinical job with 200 pounds in 10 pound increments. No one need bust a blood vessel in their brains on why kids aren't in schools at many levels. My old junior high is now a low income senior apartment building with the auditorium being restored for community events (best acoustics in southern Wisconsin). It was built as part of the Carnegie Foundation back around 1910. It had 4 stories and one very unreliable elevator. Students who used mobility aids were farmed out while a new school was built on a single level for classrooms. Good outcome all around. Where I live now the state sued the county when they wanted to expand a segregated for severely disabled kids school. The state cited the Rehab Act, IDEA and Olmstead. The parents of the kids about rioted. The school taught the kids how to live in group or shared homes. It had 2 apartments inside for those getting ready to recieve their certificate of completion and move out into the world. Now they get less one on one attention and few will ever work even in a protected work place or learn enough to live outside an institution. But they will learn how to fingerpaint and sing.. The program that had many volunteering at the local hospital also died because the money that went for transportation is now going to OTs for a lot of different schools. Sometimes inclusion is great. In this case, the inclusion was to be into the community not into a classroom where they are judged by their AB peers and by a system that includes a bell curve. Look at the older areas of cities. The schools were built up not out. This holds true of some of our best universities. I don't know how some quads and paras do manage school. To handle a full class load and do sports? I would be flunking out faster than from Party 101 and 102. Oh, you might ask the nearest CIL what their estimate is of wheelers who attend Rutgers. It may be closer to reality. Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."