Dr. Young is it true only 12 students in wheelchairs attend Rutgers? - Page 16

bigbob · 05-27-2005, 04:33 PM

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I also want to point out that we must think not only about people in wheelchairs but disabilities of all sorts. While wheelchairs are an emblem of a particular type of disability, we must include all disabilities. So, if there is anything that I can do to help, BigB, please know that you have my support. My highest priority is of course research in the laboratory and getting clinical trials going. However, I also believe, as many of you know, that we must feed and take care of the brain. In every posting that I have made about what people should do, I have emphasized that they must not neglect their education. There is a very high correlation between quality of life after spinal cord injury and education. Rutgers is a wonderful university and it is a shame that more people with disabilities are not taking advantage of what it is offering.

Wise.

Dr. Young, it ain't just wheelchair users.

This whole thing makes no sense to me why Rutgers is far below the national average in not only wheelchair students, but disabled students in general. Is it just as you say that people aren't taking advantage of what is being offered or does something have to be fixed?

Not only are the numbers for wheelchair users low at Rutgers, but all reasons for being classified as a disabled student at Rutgers is severally lower than the national averages of other Universities as I quoted an article referring to the compliance director at Rutgers "Rose said, in the last census of students taken, only 385 were identified as disabled. That number is far below what national studies have shown to be typical, which is 8 percent to 9 percent of a given population".
The numbers he used would translate into .86% far below the average of 8 to 9 percent.
I don't believe that wheelchair students have left NJ to Bask in the sun, but even if they did the major part of the disabled student population would be disabled not because of mobility reasons, so why are they showing up at Rutgers in such low numbers also? According to Rose's stats Rutgers has only 10% of the expected disabled student body.

[This message was edited by BigB on 05-27-05 at 07:44 PM.]

Steven Edwards · 05-27-2005, 04:56 PM

Where's my paper? I gave you plenty of good sources to check.

-Steven
...how did it end up like this? it was only a kiss, it was only a kiss.

bigbob · 05-27-2005, 05:10 PM

Steven, this is nothing to joke about.
If you think it is an want to stop any advancement in this area I would question your motive.

BTW, you make the moderators of carecure look bad when either, you make jokes about this, attribute it to the weather, as betheny and jeff did. I would like to know is there any reason why the biggest opponents of wheelchair sports and elevating the level of wheelchair students and all other disabled students to nationally accepted levels has mainly been opposed by moderators and Clipper and Metro who hate me.

[This message was edited by BigB on 05-27-05 at 08:38 PM.]

Steven Edwards · 05-27-2005, 05:46 PM

I'm not joking. I gave you sources from which to gather information.

What's the "standard" percentage of disabled students at a US University? How many of them are in wheelchairs? What's the matriculation rate of students in wheelchairs? How many wheelchair users graduate from high school each year?

What kind of information have you gathered to present in a single, unified report defending your claim? One ratio that would be good to know is the percentage of the college-aged non-wheelchair using population attending Rutgers versus the percentage of the college-aged wheelchair using population attending Rutgers.

...and you can't use the two million nummber, as that includes non-college-aged people and non-wheelchair using people.

Give me some numbers.

-Steven
...how did it end up like this? it was only a kiss, it was only a kiss.

bigbob · 05-27-2005, 05:54 PM

Steven, are you in this for amusement. I am not. It seems like you challenge me and hope I can't come up with figures. What's your motive. The compliance committee from Rutgers headed by Brian Rose admits there is a disparity. Your attitude on this topic has been distasteful.

bigbob · 05-27-2005, 06:19 PM

So Steven to get back on track I will post this again to make sure it isn't lost

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BigB
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I also want to point out that we must think not only about people in wheelchairs but disabilities of all sorts. While wheelchairs are an emblem of a particular type of disability, we must include all disabilities. So, if there is anything that I can do to help, BigB, please know that you have my support. My highest priority is of course research in the laboratory and getting clinical trials going. However, I also believe, as many of you know, that we must feed and take care of the brain. In every posting that I have made about what people should do, I have emphasized that they must not neglect their education. There is a very high correlation between quality of life after spinal cord injury and education. Rutgers is a wonderful university and it is a shame that more people with disabilities are not taking advantage of what it is offering.

Wise.
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Dr. Young, it ain't just wheelchair users.

This whole thing makes no sense to me why Rutgers is far below the national average in not only wheelchair students, but disabled students in general. Is it just as you say that people aren't taking advantage of what is being offered or does something have to be fixed?

Not only are the numbers for wheelchair users low at Rutgers, but all reasons for being classified as a disabled student at Rutgers is severally lower than the national averages of other Universities as I quoted an article referring to the compliance director at Rutgers "Rose said, in the last census of students taken, only 385 were identified as disabled. That number is far below what national studies have shown to be typical, which is 8 percent to 9 percent of a given population".
The numbers he used would translate into .86% far below the average of 8 to 9 percent.
I don't believe that wheelchair students have left NJ to Bask in the sun, but even if they did the major part of the disabled student population would be disabled not because of mobility reasons, so why are they showing up at Rutgers in such low numbers also? According to Rose's stats Rutgers has only 10% of the expected disabled student body.

metronycguy · 05-27-2005, 10:45 PM

again and again people here have asked you to qualify your statements and you ignore them.
Steven Edwards asked a legitimate question, you have not answered..
you like to throw peoples names out there , you continually make false accusations of many people here. i am sure you do the same with the admin people at Rutgers. they probaly wont talk to you anymore. maybe thgey have just cause.
this person from Rutgers a mr.rose is he currently employed there? are you sure those numbers are correct, maybe he misinterpeted them. maybe there a higher ration thn arevage og other types of disabilites that dont use wheelchairs?
you keep using the term wheelchair users and disabled students, there may be student that classify as disable who do not use wheelchairs..and many of the people here on this forum and the people that would use Rutgers facility have stated making a more accessible swimming pool and gym serves more wc users than wc basketball

bigbob · 05-28-2005, 06:12 AM

Metro
You are looking hard to find fault with my argument, why?

I do present or qualify numbers. All the numbers I have shown I have stated where they came from.

As far as Mr. Rose, yes he is still listed in the Rutgers directory:

BRIAN T. ROSE
(FACULTY, STAFF)

IID: BTR6

TITLE: ASSOCIATE VP FOR STUDENT AFFAIRS

TELEPHONE NUMBERS: (Local Business)
Phone: (732) 932-8576
(732) 932-7312 EXT: 17
Fax: (732) 932-9690

It's odd that you think he might have mixed up the numbers, when you yourself have, as I explained the difference between students in wheelchairs and disabled students in general.

As far as Jeff/clipper being the many people who would trash wc basketball for an accessible gym/swimming pool, I think you have the problem with misrepresenting numbers. And, BTW, if you read the post about the University of Arizona you would learn that the exhibition game that their wheelchair basketball game provides serious funding for their whole disability resource center, which is pretty extensive:

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Physical Support Unit
Physical Support personnel work as a team to provide services that maximize the individual's abilities and independence by promoting health and wellness, improving strength and function, maintaining assistive mobility equipment operations, and providing disability information and referral. The unit is staffed by a Physical Therapist and a Mechanician. If you would like to discuss your current health regimen, equipment needs or have transportation concerns, please contact Sherry Santee (626-5490).

PHYSICAL THERAPY

Physical therapy services can be arranged through the Physical Therapy office (626-5490). Exercise programs are designed to fit your goals. Assessments and treatments are provided for short term or on-going physical therapy needs.

ADAPTIVE FITNESS GYM:
A variety of weight lifting and conditioning equipment is available.

Uppertone Gym
Freedom Machine
Saratoga Upper Extremity Ergometer
Schwinn Airdyne Cycle
Versatrainer
Cuff Weights/Exercise mats
OTHER SERVICES:

Standing Frames
Gait training/parallel bars
ADL training and assessment for ADL equipment
Evaluations for wheelchair and seating systems needs
Heat, ice, paraffin
Ultrasound/E-stim
Massage
Group Exercise
Aquatic Exercise
ASSISTANCE INCLUDES:

Residence Hall information and assistance with Hall assignment
Information on city-wide transportation and resources
Assistance in recruiting Personal Care Attendants
Assistance locating accessible off-campus housing
ADDITIONAL RESOURCE SERVICES
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Yea there is even more at the University of Arizona than wheelchair sports

Rutgers whats up?

Metro, you would be a great candidate to work for claims at a health insurance company, talking with you reminds of the time I ordered a wheelchair and it took several months for it to be approved. The problem was they said they wouldn't cover a motorized wheelchair for my son, and it took several tries to explain that a TI wheelchair is manual. It seems they had their mind made up before they heard any info anyway.

You also should note the community work the wc basketball teams, both mens and womens do at the University of Illinois by promoting higher education to disabled students in elementary and high schools in Illinois during their Disability Awareness Month

[This message was edited by BigB on 05-28-05 at 09:33 AM.]

Steven Edwards · 05-28-2005, 07:45 AM

Bob, I'm just asking questions. The questions I ask are questions others will likely ask. If you can't answer me, how will you answer them?

I believe education is very important. Educate me.

-Steven
...how did it end up like this? it was only a kiss, it was only a kiss.

bigbob · 05-28-2005, 11:41 AM

Steven in all due respect, I believe I have presented enough information that shows there is a lack of disabled students continuing their education at Rutgers. In addition they lack the resources that other Universities utilize to make high school and elementary students aware of their desire to welcome them.
Perhaps the one thing you display is how an issue like this can by devious ways and irrational thinking be stalled and not implemented. You still challenge this idea after I have provided resources from other Universities that have a working program, actually provided information from the University staff as to the lack of disabled students attending Rutgers, A statement by Dr. Young showing concern why not only wheelchair users, but disabled students in general are not benefiting from enrolling in the State University of New Jersey. In addition, I included a study done by the faculty of the University itself supporting the need for adaptive sports, let alone all disabled students in general. I am totally appalled by your mocking my efforts. I only suggest that the people at Rutgers who want to sit on their asses and ignore this situation may find it rather helpful to continue their avoidance may want to hire you to help them along. I think my dealing with this issue has been straight forward, unlike yours which will try to find a reason to avoid implementing a better way to reach the disabled students at Rutgers. Have you no admiration for Dr. Young who himself believes there is a problem? Are you happy that the University he resides in is falls rather short dealing with people that have disabilities?

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05-27-2005, 04:56 PM	#152
Steven Edwards Administrator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Acme Labs Posts: 15,530	Where's my paper? I gave you plenty of good sources to check. -Steven ...how did it end up like this? it was only a kiss, it was only a kiss.

05-27-2005, 05:10 PM	#153
bigbob Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,005	Steven, this is nothing to joke about. If you think it is an want to stop any advancement in this area I would question your motive. BTW, you make the moderators of carecure look bad when either, you make jokes about this, attribute it to the weather, as betheny and jeff did. I would like to know is there any reason why the biggest opponents of wheelchair sports and elevating the level of wheelchair students and all other disabled students to nationally accepted levels has mainly been opposed by moderators and Clipper and Metro who hate me. [This message was edited by BigB on 05-27-05 at 08:38 PM.]

05-27-2005, 05:46 PM	#154
Steven Edwards Administrator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Acme Labs Posts: 15,530	I'm not joking. I gave you sources from which to gather information. What's the "standard" percentage of disabled students at a US University? How many of them are in wheelchairs? What's the matriculation rate of students in wheelchairs? How many wheelchair users graduate from high school each year? What kind of information have you gathered to present in a single, unified report defending your claim? One ratio that would be good to know is the percentage of the college-aged non-wheelchair using population attending Rutgers versus the percentage of the college-aged wheelchair using population attending Rutgers. ...and you can't use the two million nummber, as that includes non-college-aged people and non-wheelchair using people. Give me some numbers. -Steven ...how did it end up like this? it was only a kiss, it was only a kiss.

05-27-2005, 05:54 PM	#155
bigbob Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,005	Steven, are you in this for amusement. I am not. It seems like you challenge me and hope I can't come up with figures. What's your motive. The compliance committee from Rutgers headed by Brian Rose admits there is a disparity. Your attitude on this topic has been distasteful.

05-27-2005, 10:45 PM	#157
metronycguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ny Posts: 5,677	again and again people here have asked you to qualify your statements and you ignore them. Steven Edwards asked a legitimate question, you have not answered.. you like to throw peoples names out there , you continually make false accusations of many people here. i am sure you do the same with the admin people at Rutgers. they probaly wont talk to you anymore. maybe thgey have just cause. this person from Rutgers a mr.rose is he currently employed there? are you sure those numbers are correct, maybe he misinterpeted them. maybe there a higher ration thn arevage og other types of disabilites that dont use wheelchairs? you keep using the term wheelchair users and disabled students, there may be student that classify as disable who do not use wheelchairs..and many of the people here on this forum and the people that would use Rutgers facility have stated making a more accessible swimming pool and gym serves more wc users than wc basketball

05-28-2005, 07:45 AM	#159
Steven Edwards Administrator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Acme Labs Posts: 15,530	Bob, I'm just asking questions. The questions I ask are questions others will likely ask. If you can't answer me, how will you answer them? I believe education is very important. Educate me. -Steven ...how did it end up like this? it was only a kiss, it was only a kiss.

05-28-2005, 11:41 AM	#160
bigbob Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,005	Steven in all due respect, I believe I have presented enough information that shows there is a lack of disabled students continuing their education at Rutgers. In addition they lack the resources that other Universities utilize to make high school and elementary students aware of their desire to welcome them. Perhaps the one thing you display is how an issue like this can by devious ways and irrational thinking be stalled and not implemented. You still challenge this idea after I have provided resources from other Universities that have a working program, actually provided information from the University staff as to the lack of disabled students attending Rutgers, A statement by Dr. Young showing concern why not only wheelchair users, but disabled students in general are not benefiting from enrolling in the State University of New Jersey. In addition, I included a study done by the faculty of the University itself supporting the need for adaptive sports, let alone all disabled students in general. I am totally appalled by your mocking my efforts. I only suggest that the people at Rutgers who want to sit on their asses and ignore this situation may find it rather helpful to continue their avoidance may want to hire you to help them along. I think my dealing with this issue has been straight forward, unlike yours which will try to find a reason to avoid implementing a better way to reach the disabled students at Rutgers. Have you no admiration for Dr. Young who himself believes there is a problem? Are you happy that the University he resides in is falls rather short dealing with people that have disabilities?