I am allowed a say in how you live your life?

[peterf]

I live in a country that luckily has free heath care and education for all it's citizens, well i don't exactly agree with the word free as all of us are heavily taxed from our pay cheques for this service. Again it is a welfare state policy that is intended to safe guard the rights of the most vulnerable however i have issues. Is it right that after years of advising people about the harmfull effects of smoking, drinking and the indulgence of harmful lifestyles that now out my taxes i must pay for their treatment. Each time i give advise i am told to shut up, non of my business how one should live out their life styles. yet i must pay for free treatment for prostitutes and pimps who contract V/d, i must pay for lung cancer treatment for people who refuse to quick smoking.
i must pay for junkies who refuse to quit the needle.
what hurts me the most is that all these people have a choice, that is at any time they can reframe from indulging in this lifestyle and stop or at least try to. all their woes are self inflicted, yet they have no interest in change.
unfortunately i do not have that choice as i am condemned to sit in this chair till the end of my days. they indulge out of free choice. However from my chair i must work my butt off to give these people a free health service. so do i have a right in telling people how to live out their lifestyles or not.

[Scaper1]

So how do you see that working, exactly? Are you going to set up a little booth somewhere, from whence you can decide who gets what care or not? How will you manage with your already full-time schedule?

[Timaru]

Just pay up and look big Peter.

[hlh]

Originally Posted by peterf

I live in a country that luckily has free heath care and education for all it's citizens, well i don't exactly agree with the word free as all of us are heavily taxed from our pay cheques for this service. Again it is a welfare state policy that is intended to safe guard the rights of the most vulnerable however i have issues. Is it right that after years of advising people about the harmfull effects of smoking, drinking and the indulgence of harmful lifestyles that now out my taxes i must pay for their treatment. Each time i give advise i am told to shut up, non of my business how one should live out their life styles. yet i must pay for free treatment for prostitutes and pimps who contract V/d, i must pay for lung cancer treatment for people who refuse to quick smoking.
i must pay for junkies who refuse to quit the needle.
what hurts me the most is that all these people have a choice, that is at any time they can reframe from indulging in this lifestyle and stop or at least try to. all their woes are self inflicted, yet they have no interest in change.
unfortunately i do not have that choice as i am condemned to sit in this chair till the end of my days. they indulge out of free choice. However from my chair i must work my butt off to give these people a free health service. so do i have a right in telling people how to live out their lifestyles or not.

Well, I guess you don't have a choice, as long as you still want to pay for people who choose to ride motorcycles, swim/dive into pools, ride in cars, walk across a street, work dangerous jobs and then sometimes not follow safety recommendations. You know... stuff like that. Fair is fair. We all make choices. Where do you draw the line?

[peterf]

i don't get your point all you have described above is high risk ventures which most probably end in a one off accident. what i have described are pro longed continuance of risky lifstyles of people who do not see a valued change nor seek precautions. i would probably suggest a higher individual premium (Tax) which is correct as it is higher risk which could be avoidable but out of free choice the individual does not care to do so.

[darkeyed_daisy]

How did you get injured again? Who was responsible for your accident? It was your choice to get out of bed that morning? right?

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[TomRL]

Once we segregate a certain group for exclusion, we start down a dangerous path.

[peterf]

I do believe there is a difference between a one off accident which puts the individual at fault compared to another whom is advised over and over again to take precaution but out of free choice refuses to do so.
also a one off unexpected accident does differ from a full awareness self inflicted condition caused gradually over a long period of time. or by illness caused by committing a criminal offence hence drugs prostitution.
However i do get your point.

[cheesecake]

Addiction is a disease---get over it.

[peterf]

Your point is ?