Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? - Page 2

Bob Sullivan · 07-20-2012, 01:37 PM

Recompression/Decompression yes hypabaric chambers are quite often used by divers and more so by "sandhogs" those folks who work in pressurized tunnels.

I was a diver I have been down under 8 atmospheres plus of salt water ie: 240+ feet. The accident that caused me my problems was in 2 atmospheres or 60+ feet of salt water, for about 5 plus hours of physical work. When, already "decompressing" at the 10' station I was pulled from the water, to allow an oil tanker to go up a river. I walked unconscienous about 200' after changing into my street clothes and probably climbing a ladder. I cannot say more because I have no knowlege of what actually happened. I was walking and talking while totally unconsious.

Straight pressurized oxygen is a very dangerous thing to use. The air we breathe is 77/78% nitrogen with an approximate 20 - 21 % O2 with a smattering of real low percentages of trace gasses. I was involved in an experiment years ago testing the amounts of O2 and I did see O2 levels as low as 17% but the experiment did not include seeing what took the place of the O2.

O2 @ 21% under 2 or more (33'/14.7#) atmospheres will destroy brain cells very quickly. We often used helium as the filler gas and decreased the amounts of O2 to specified levels % wise. This was the procedure used in 1962 for some experimental diving. The filler gas (as I call it) the body uses to scrub (my word) the CO2 from your body.

I have to wonder what theory suggests using a pressurized atmosphere to repair our broken nerves or damage to our brains? I did diving work for many years after my first bends experience. And my diving experience was in the commercial/construction trades so the time at pressure was much extended, and continuous, over a leisure or pleasure diver. Like 8 or more hours each day, and often for weeks on end.

lonecoaster · 07-20-2012, 06:16 PM

Interesting info Bob S. I'm not going to persue this. This is a very nice doctor and I think she is trying any trick she can find in her magic bag to help.

Illinois1966 · 07-27-2012, 01:15 AM

Bob from what I am reading you believe HBOT is dangerous.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I have experienced it's powerful healing effects on many people including my son who is not SCI.

I have used it myself.

There are not many clinical studies that prove the effectiveness of the treatment.

It is expensive but helps many.

wheeliecoach · 07-27-2012, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Illinois1966

Bob from what I am reading you believe HBOT is dangerous.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I have experienced it's powerful healing effects on many people including my son who is not SCI.

I have used it myself.

There are not many clinical studies that prove the effectiveness of the treatment.

It is expensive but helps many.

I tend to agree...without HBOT treatment, my husband's osteo would not have been healed so quickly and neither would have his sores. Very beneficial I believe. My husband has a brain injury and nothing happened to him negatively when he came out of the treatment, nor later on after he was done (he has been done with the treatment for 6 months...) I know that is still a small amount of time...but I am still convinced that in his case, it helped more than it hurt.

Bob Sullivan · 07-27-2012, 09:08 AM

I think you both misunderstand me. I asked what theory suggests this is a good therapy?

In all my years I have never discounted any theory that might help. I was simply a grunt in the diving business, the volunteer gunea pig so to speak. Once a person is out of the main stream of any business we are all forgotten. But our experiences still exist, there is no one I know of who takes advantage of that experience.

I reiterated some of that experience, hopefully someone, who is interested will take me up on that prior experience. I originally became a "victim" of this problem 50 years ago. 50 years of overcoming those effects. No one could really treat my after affects, or understood what had occurred. Is it possible I can answer one vital question?

Is there anyone who subscribes to this site who has suffered the effects of the bends? (Caissons disease)

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07-20-2012, 01:37 PM	#11
Bob Sullivan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 120	Recompression/Decompression yes hypabaric chambers are quite often used by divers and more so by "sandhogs" those folks who work in pressurized tunnels. I was a diver I have been down under 8 atmospheres plus of salt water ie: 240+ feet. The accident that caused me my problems was in 2 atmospheres or 60+ feet of salt water, for about 5 plus hours of physical work. When, already "decompressing" at the 10' station I was pulled from the water, to allow an oil tanker to go up a river. I walked unconscienous about 200' after changing into my street clothes and probably climbing a ladder. I cannot say more because I have no knowlege of what actually happened. I was walking and talking while totally unconsious. Straight pressurized oxygen is a very dangerous thing to use. The air we breathe is 77/78% nitrogen with an approximate 20 - 21 % O2 with a smattering of real low percentages of trace gasses. I was involved in an experiment years ago testing the amounts of O2 and I did see O2 levels as low as 17% but the experiment did not include seeing what took the place of the O2. O2 @ 21% under 2 or more (33'/14.7#) atmospheres will destroy brain cells very quickly. We often used helium as the filler gas and decreased the amounts of O2 to specified levels % wise. This was the procedure used in 1962 for some experimental diving. The filler gas (as I call it) the body uses to scrub (my word) the CO2 from your body. I have to wonder what theory suggests using a pressurized atmosphere to repair our broken nerves or damage to our brains? I did diving work for many years after my first bends experience. And my diving experience was in the commercial/construction trades so the time at pressure was much extended, and continuous, over a leisure or pleasure diver. Like 8 or more hours each day, and often for weeks on end.

07-20-2012, 06:16 PM	#12
lonecoaster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 892	Interesting info Bob S. I'm not going to persue this. This is a very nice doctor and I think she is trying any trick she can find in her magic bag to help.

07-27-2012, 01:15 AM	#13
Illinois1966 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: IL Posts: 14	Bob from what I am reading you believe HBOT is dangerous. I couldn't disagree with you more. I have experienced it's powerful healing effects on many people including my son who is not SCI. I have used it myself. There are not many clinical studies that prove the effectiveness of the treatment. It is expensive but helps many.

07-27-2012, 09:08 AM	#15
Bob Sullivan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 120	I think you both misunderstand me. I asked what theory suggests this is a good therapy? In all my years I have never discounted any theory that might help. I was simply a grunt in the diving business, the volunteer gunea pig so to speak. Once a person is out of the main stream of any business we are all forgotten. But our experiences still exist, there is no one I know of who takes advantage of that experience. I reiterated some of that experience, hopefully someone, who is interested will take me up on that prior experience. I originally became a "victim" of this problem 50 years ago. 50 years of overcoming those effects. No one could really treat my after affects, or understood what had occurred. Is it possible I can answer one vital question? Is there anyone who subscribes to this site who has suffered the effects of the bends? (Caissons disease)