CAD drawing suggestions please

[Sparkleraptor]

hi guys!

I ended up purchasing a ZRA for my new chair. I did my best to get the measurements from my folding chair to the ZRA and had to guestimate some things. I couldn't afford both the chair and going to a DME/seating specialist so I'm trying to figure it out on my own.

Anyway, I got the CAD drawing sent to me to review and could use some help from you guys. The only thing I see that I screwed up is the back angle. I think I put 83 degrees and it it angle toward the front of the chair...I want it angle the opposite way (the red line). Would this make it 93 degrees???? Please help I suck at math, lol!

The only other thing that sucks is I'm going to get charged an extra $200+ for the chair being so long. My cushion is 19 inches long. I like the cushion to come right up the the back of my calfs/knees and support my entire leg, so that is why it is so long. I've had shorter chairs before and they have always been uncomfortable. Also because my legs stick out forward more so all the length really helps.

The front angle should be fine at 75.

I don't really see any other problems. Looks like a chair, lol. Its going to cost almost $4K so I really need some other, experienced eyes looking at it for me.

Thank you all, I could really use your opinions!

Best

[~Lin]

Ok, I *believe* the following:

You won't be charged extra for the seat depth unless it exceeds 20" now. This is something new, where they used to charge for the +1 frame depth its NCO under 20"

The back angle is adjustable, so what you spec out isn't set in stone its just what the chair will arrive with and can be adjusted. I also think the angle is measured according to the floor, not in relation to the seat or anything. So 90 degree will be straight up and down, and your 83 is why it leans forward. Anything past 90 would be leaning back from straight up and down. If this ends up being your only concern with the CAD I don't think you'd need a new CAD since they charge for the second one.

Now for the important questions, what frame finish and colors did you order??

[chasmengr]

Congrats on choosing a ZRA. TiLite makes a great chair.

From my personal experience (AeroZ1), the back angle you request is important because the adjustability is not endless; it exists only within a finite range from what you specify. I hope you won't need another CAD, just note the change on the drawing with your signature (call TiLite to confirm notation is sufficient - it might not be).

83 degrees is 7 degrees forward of vertical (90 degrees). 97 degrees would be 7 degrees back of vertical. Your red line looks to be about 3 degrees back of vertical to me, which would be a 93-degree backrest angle, yes. I don't remember seeing folding backrests shown on TiLite CADs (it wasn't on mine anyway); I suspect TiLite showed it on yours because it's not within what they consider a normal range, and they wanted to call your attention to it.

I notice the Schulte dimension (27.6") is included; how does it compare to your existing chair?

You must be have long thighs. The 19" seat depth does seem long paired with the 14" footrest length and 16" RSH (arm&torso relative lengths). That's just fine if you're really sure.

3" casters are great for smooth surfaces. I prefer larger because I use my chair mostly outside (rough/cracked pavement, storm-water grates etc.).

I don't see any way to avoid the extra charge for a long frame length without shortening the frame.

Yep . . . it looks like a chair

[Sparkleraptor]

They told me I will be charged $227 extra for the length of the chair I ordered for what is considered 20" + Frame Depth. The seat is 19", but I added two extra to the frame since I use the frame to hold on to. I thought the charged extra for the seat being over 20", but I guess no.

Anyway, good to know about the seat angle. i think I will just say make it 90 degrees then I can adjust it back.

Yeah, I'm glad I think everything else is OK. I need to get this thing done, the one I have is falling apart bad. I just had the brake fall off and break as well as one of the footplates. Its on its last leg:/

Frame finish is satin titanium, red spinergy spokes with red SHOX tires, red pepper accents It will be pretty

Originally Posted by ~Lin

Ok, I *believe* the following:

You won't be charged extra for the seat depth unless it exceeds 20" now. This is something new, where they used to charge for the +1 frame depth its NCO under 20"

The back angle is adjustable, so what you spec out isn't set in stone its just what the chair will arrive with and can be adjusted. I also think the angle is measured according to the floor, not in relation to the seat or anything. So 90 degree will be straight up and down, and your 83 is why it leans forward. Anything past 90 would be leaning back from straight up and down. If this ends up being your only concern with the CAD I don't think you'd need a new CAD since they charge for the second one.

Now for the important questions, what frame finish and colors did you order??

[Sparkleraptor]

Thanks Chas

Yeah, I'm mostly guestimating on some of it, probably why I screwed up the back angle, lol.

I'm just going to say 90, I don't want another drawing because it costs money:/

I have no idea how the shultz compares to this chair, I pretty much gave up trying to get it perfect from this one to the ZRA.

I do have long thighs, long legs. They used to keep giving me these 16" chairs and they would drive me nuts. I finally forced the last DME to order a chair to the length of my thighs. Hence the 19" cushion I have now

I'm not totally sure, but I figure if its close I guess it will work. it can't be any worse than what I've had before.



Thanks for responding

Originally Posted by chasmengr

Congrats on choosing a ZRA. TiLite makes a great chair.

From my personal experience (AeroZ1), the back angle you request is important because the adjustability is not endless; it exists only within a finite range from what you specify. I hope you won't need another CAD, just note the change on the drawing with your signature (call TiLite to confirm notation is sufficient - it might not be).

83 degrees is 7 degrees forward of vertical (90 degrees). 97 degrees would be 7 degrees back of vertical. Your red line looks to be about 3 degrees back of vertical to me, which would be a 93-degree backrest angle, yes. I don't remember seeing backrests shown on TiLite CADs (it wasn't on mine anyway); I suspect TiLite showed it on yours because it's not within what they consider a normal range, and they wanted to call your attention to it.

I notice the Schulte dimension (27.6") is included; how does it compare to your existing chair?

You must be have long thighs. The 19" seat depth does seem long paired with the 14" footrest length and 16" RSH (arm&torso relative lengths). That's just fine if you're really sure.

3" casters are great for smooth surfaces. I prefer larger because I use my chair mostly outside (rough/cracked pavement, storm-water grates etc.).

I don't see any way to avoid the extra charge for a long frame length without shortening the frame.

Yep . . . it looks like a chair

[tooley]

Originally Posted by Sparkleraptor

Yeah, I'm mostly guestimating on some of it, probably why I screwed up the back angle, lol.

I have no idea how the shultz compares to this chair, I pretty much gave up trying to get it perfect from this one to the ZRA.

I'm not totally sure, but I figure if its close I guess it will work. it can't be any worse than what I've had before.

YIKES. I doubt I'm the only one here thinking that you *really* _need_ to see a seating specialist. At the very least put TiLite on ice for a little while until you are far more certain of yourself. The above comments are not ones anyone should be making regarding their mobility device.

Is there not some way to have your doctor send you to a seating clinic? Regardless of who is paying for the chair it seems silly to order something that resembles anything close to that CAD drawing. The chair is a solid 6" longer (from back of rear wheels to front of footrest) than chairs used by grown men on this forum that are over 6 feet tall. How tall are you? A chair that long has an insanely huge footprint, making manuevering around the house (even turning around in an elevator) very difficult.

Please re-consider what you are doing, I hate to see anyone order a wheelchair that is less than ideal.. I don't usually like making people second-guess themselves, but in this case..... YIKES.

You say this chair rings in around $4k. If I were you and uncertain about ALOT of measurements I would find the additional couple hundred dollars and buy an Icon. They are infinitely adjustable, have great product support, and suspension too. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[SCI_OTR]

Originally Posted by tooley

YIKES. I doubt I'm the only one here thinking that you *really* _need_ to see a seating specialist. At the very least put TiLite on ice for a little while until you are far more certain of yourself. The above comments are not ones anyone should be making regarding their mobility device.

Please re-consider what you are doing, I hate to see anyone order a wheelchair that is less than ideal.. I don't usually like making people second-guess themselves, but in this case..... YIKES.

Ditto.

[Sparkleraptor]

thanks for replying...

I had to try and take the measurements from my old chair to this one. I don't have a doctor (haven't seen one in about 5 years) and am not able to get a doctor or referal to a seating clinic. I could go thru a DME, but I've done that in the past with my HMO and they weren't very helpful. So I don't want to pay them to order it.

I'm about 5'8". The cushion and seat I have now is 19" long and its comfotable for me. the chair itself is a lot longer (its a folding chair with legrests). It looks pretty similar to the drawing.

Is it just the length you see that is jumping out as bad?

I considered the Icon, but the front end wouldn't work for me as it was when I looked at it last. I'm always having an issue with the front of chairs:/ Plus I need the chair delivered quickly and I didn't think they were being delievered soon. The one I have now is badly falling apart and really keeping me home bound.

I already paid the bill for the chair too.

Gah, I don't know what to do now.

Thank you though!

Best

Originally Posted by tooley

YIKES. I doubt I'm the only one here thinking that you *really* _need_ to see a seating specialist. At the very least put TiLite on ice for a little while until you are far more certain of yourself. The above comments are not ones anyone should be making regarding their mobility device.

Is there not some way to have your doctor send you to a seating clinic? Regardless of who is paying for the chair it seems silly to order something that resembles anything close to that CAD drawing. The chair is a solid 6" longer (from back of rear wheels to front of footrest) than chairs used by grown men on this forum that are over 6 feet tall. How tall are you? A chair that long has an insanely huge footprint, making manuevering around the house (even turning around in an elevator) very difficult.

Please re-consider what you are doing, I hate to see anyone order a wheelchair that is less than ideal.. I don't usually like making people second-guess themselves, but in this case..... YIKES.

You say this chair rings in around $4k. If I were you and uncertain about ALOT of measurements I would find the additional couple hundred dollars and buy an Icon. They are infinitely adjustable, have great product support, and suspension too. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[Sparkleraptor]

K, I went ahead and sent them a note asking to cancel the order I'll figure it out I guess. I'll try and get this POS chair fixed in the mean time, lol. thank you guys!

[totoL1]

Originally Posted by Sparkleraptor

I'm about 5'8". The cushion and seat I have now is 19" long and its comfotable for me. the chair itself is a lot longer (its a folding chair with legrests). It looks pretty similar to the drawing.

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Sorry, but for 5.8" you have a 19" long cushion and you want to order a chair with 21 frame depth? my god

For your height would work something like 17 depth frame, and forget 3" casters unless you are all day at home.
what is your level? that dump remember me the dump that usually order walker guys, i would never go under 2" dump and that backrest will be horrible be seating in that one of the cad.