Microcyn Bladder Treatment (An Open Letter to Dr. Young)

[gjnl]

Good to know that this works, if you have to reuse catheters.

In the United States, Medicare and most insurance companies cover single use catheters for clean intermittent catheterization (CIC) up to something like 200 catheters a month.

As an aside...when I was managing my bladder with CIC (now use a suprapubic), which was before there was coverage for singe use catheters, and before I knew about Vetericyn, my wife glued a cap onto a piece of 1/2 inch PVC pipe about 16-18 inches long (depending on the length of the catheter). She stood this pipe up in a glass to hold it upright. At the time we used peroxide to clean the catheters. She would wash the catheter with soap and water and slide it into the tube. Then fill the tube with peroxide. She rinsed the catheter with water before using it. The Vetericyn would be a great alternative today (no rinsing and ready to use). The tubing save on the amount of (peroxide) Vetericyn needed to submerge the catheter.

All the best,
GJ

[FXKatt]

Originally Posted by gjnl

Good to know that this works, if you have to reuse catheters.

... my wife glued a cap onto a piece of 1/2 inch PVC pipe about 16-18 inches long (depending on the length of the catheter). She stood this pipe up in a glass to hold it upright. At the time we used peroxide to clean the catheters. She would wash the catheter with soap and water and slide it into the tube. Then fill the tube with peroxide. She rinsed the catheter with water before using it. The Vetericyn would be a great alternative today (no rinsing and ready to use). The tubing save on the amount of (peroxide) Vetericyn needed to submerge the catheter.

All the best,
GJ

Are you saying you can insert a re-usable catheter solely with microcyn replacing the lube?

Also, I believe that Lofric catheters use a saline solution coating. I assume the purpose of this is to keep the urethra from infection. Does anyone know the effectiveness of this?

[gjnl]

Originally Posted by FXKatt

Are you saying you can insert a re-usable catheter solely with microcyn replacing the lube? In her post 9#1209), "caregvr" said that is what her husband does.

Also, I believe that Lofric catheters use a saline solution coating. I assume the purpose of this is to keep the urethra from infection. Does anyone know the effectiveness of this? I've never used these type catheters, and cannot speak for antibacterial qualities of the coating that becomes a lubricant when you moisten it. Saline in and of itself is not antibacterial.

All the best,
GJ

[caregvr]

Have had no experience with Lofric, but hubby must use coude tip, they would cost about $20 a day. so re-use a necessity. Tried all suggestions on care cure forum to keep them bug free but nothing worked.

So he tried keeping the catheter immersed in vf between uses. worked really well keeping the uti's away, and found he didn't need lubricant either.

Works well for him.

Caregv

[FXKatt]

Thanks for your helpful responses. For economy's sake, I use a mix of lofrics and re-usables. Yes, I guess saline itself is a pretty weak antibiotic unless perhaps the solution is intensified.

To save money, I am trying to keep the microcyn uses to a minimum. So, I am hoping that microcyn on the catheter is a big part of the answer to my recurrent infections.

I do small instills of 25ml of saline and vf and leave it there until the next cathing. I'm not sure of the wisdom of this but I have a hard time maneuvering the other forms of irrigation and instills alone (if i had 3 hands i might succeed at other methods) and I don't like leaving a cath in me while i do some kind of irrigation dance. It seems so much easier just to leave it there, but again i have never heard anyone recommend this.

[gjnl]

Originally Posted by FXKatt

I do small instills of 25ml of saline and vf and leave it there until the next cathing. I'm not sure of the wisdom of this but I have a hard time maneuvering the other forms of irrigation and instills alone (if i had 3 hands i might succeed at other methods) and I don't like leaving a cath in me while i do some kind of irrigation dance. It seems so much easier just to leave it there, but again i have never heard anyone recommend this. I have read reports from several of our members who manage their bladders with intermittent catheterization who leave Vetericyn in the bladder until the next catheterization.

All the best,
GJ

[Millard]

Originally Posted by FXKatt

I do small instills of 25ml of saline and vf and leave it there until the next cathing. I'm not sure of the wisdom of this but I have a hard time maneuvering the other forms of irrigation and instills alone (if i had 3 hands i might succeed at other methods) and I don't like leaving a cath in me while i do some kind of irrigation dance. It seems so much easier just to leave it there, but again i have never heard anyone recommend this.

I have always injected the VVF into my bladder and leave it until my next cathing. I have never had any issues with this method other than being uti free for 25 consecutive months.

Good luck.

[FXKatt]

Good to hear this, Millard. The simpler the procedure the better for me. And so glad to hear about your success in using it.

Thanks for that word "several" (are practicing this method) GJ. That does make a difference to me.

[Donno]

I put 20 to 25 ml in every morning after I cath and leave it in. I played with the amount instilled for quite awhile to find out how little Vetericyn I could use and still not get UTIs - starting out with 60 ml for an hour and drain it afterward done twice a day. I seem to be stable at this time (for the last 8 or 9 months), and while I still have a little sediment or other crud, I don't leak, run a temp, or show any other systemic signs of a UTI.

I had to use Keflex for 14 days a few weeks ago, and I noticed that my urine was *sometimes* crystal clear while using the AB - but not all of the time. It seemed to get cloudy when my bowels were full and putting pressure on my bladder.

Hope this helps...

[FXKatt]

Originally Posted by Donno

I put 20 to 25 ml in every morning after I cath and leave it in. I played with the amount instilled for quite awhile to find out how little Vetericyn I could use and still not get UTIs - starting out with 60 ml for an hour and drain it afterward done twice a day. I seem to be stable at this time (for the last 8 or 9 months), and while I still have a little sediment or other crud, I don't leak, run a temp, or show any other systemic signs of a UTI.

I had to use Keflex for 14 days a few weeks ago, and I noticed that my urine was *sometimes* crystal clear while using the AB - but not all of the time. It seemed to get cloudy when my bowels were full and putting pressure on my bladder.

Hope this helps...

Sounds good. The 60ml. for an hour wd mean an extra cathing and a clamp... so I am going with what you have arrived at. (I do trust a grad student emeritus). And I am more and more convinced that it is perfectly ok to leave the install in till the next cathing (esp if a small amount)

Yeah a full bowel or bloating (gas) seem to put pressure on the bladder in a few ways--one for sure with me is urgency to pee. I will try to recall your observation as to a reason for unexpected cloudiness.