Hey, Anban

Buck503 · 08-05-2012, 03:46 PM

Quote:

A comprehensive analysis of the Cascadia Subduction Zone off the Pacific Northwest coast confirms that the region has had numerous earthquakes over the past 10,000 years, and suggests that the southern Oregon coast may be most vulnerable based on recurrence frequency.

Written by researchers at Oregon State University, and published online by the U.S. Geological Survey, the study concludes that there is a 40 percent chance of a major earthquake in the Coos Bay, Ore., region during the next 50 years. And that earthquake could approach the intensity of the Tohoku quake that devastated Japan in March of 2011.

SOURCE

So I don't know... you might want to wear a hat.

tooley · 08-05-2012, 09:40 PM

if geologists are anything like meteorologists 40% is the number they use that means they don't have a fucking clue.

anban · 08-06-2012, 03:33 PM

I read this too...yeah, I moved to Gold Beach a few weeks ago, and there have been 8 small quakes off this coastline in the last couple of months. My house is up a hill, and the joke (well,until it's true thus no longer funny) is that we'll watch the town float by. We had an earthquake drill last month @ work. I told my manager there's no way I can duck under my desk, so I'll just be the token dead employee...learned nobody quite knows how to take a quad joking like that!

woman from Europe · 08-06-2012, 03:39 PM

You can sit in the doorway

It is one of the safest places too.

Buck503 · 08-06-2012, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anban

I read this too...yeah, I moved to Gold Beach a few weeks ago, and there have been 8 small quakes off this coastline in the last couple of months. My house is up a hill, and the joke (well,until it's true thus no longer funny) is that we'll watch the town float by. We had an earthquake drill last month @ work. I told my manager there's no way I can duck under my desk, so I'll just be the token dead employee...learned nobody quite knows how to take a quad joking like that!

Yeah, I noticed your new location right after I posted this
thread. That's what I get for trying to make fun of something
as serious as the threat of a superquake, lol.

The southern part of the coast seems to have all the fun.
I can't recall any seismic activity during the years I lived
in Nehalem.

nauticalmike · 08-30-2012, 07:50 PM

Actually under a desk or in a doorway is a sure fire way to get crushed in an earthquake. Contrary to popular belief you want to lay down next to something like a desk or a bed so that the collapsing building does not crush you. It's because the object will absorb the energy of the collapse and leave the area in it's immediate vicinity untouched.

nauticalmike · 08-30-2012, 07:56 PM

The survival methods described here are logical and proven despite the fact they contradict methods still is being taught today.
One other point not mentioned is overhead power lines.* In LA they are strung down the alleys, so when evacuating your house during an earthquake, exit out the front door and not the back, or be aware of where the higher voltage lines run and get away from them.
*-Erik

A bit long and repetitive but info is important and worth it,

Where to be During an Earthquake.

Remember that stuff about hiding under a table or standing
in a doorway?? Well, this guy has a completely reverse
opinion. This is very interesting, different from what we
were all taught.

Boy! Is this ever an eye opener. Directly opposite of what
we've been taught over the years! I can remember in school
being told to, "duck and cover" or stand in a doorway
during an earthquake. This guy's findings is absolutely
amazing. I hope we all remember his survival method if we
are ever in an earthquake!!!

Please read this and pass the info along to your family
members; it could save their lives someday!

EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster
Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI),
the world's most experienced rescue team. The information
in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with
rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in
several countries, and I am a member of many rescue teams
from many countries.

I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for
two years. I have worked at every major disaster in the
world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in
Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was
under its desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of
their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to
their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and
I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't
at the time know that the children were told to hide under
something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the
ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside
crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to
them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life". The
larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact.
The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the
greater the probability that the person who is using this
void for safety will not be injured. The next time you
watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the
"triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the
most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building.

TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN
BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get
under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the
fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a
natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a
smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next
to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but
leave a void next to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to
be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with
the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does
collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the
wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight.
Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks
will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than
concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake
occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist
around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival
rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The back
of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on
the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an
earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by
getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up
in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.

6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings
collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and
the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed
by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you
will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you
will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different
"moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main
part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the
building continuously bump into each other until structural
failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on
stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads -
horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse,
stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of
the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not
collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when
overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked
for safety, even when the rest of the building is not
damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them
If Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of
the building rather than the interior. The farther inside
you are from the outside perimeter of the building the
greater the probability that your escape route will be
blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road
above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles;
which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the
decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San
Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles.
They were all killed. They could have easily survived by
getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles.
Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able
to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All
the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except
for the cars that had columns fall directly across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed
newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper,
that paper does not compact. Large voids are found
surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire world
is experiencing natural calamities so be prepared!

"We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly"

In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology
to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of
Istanbul, University of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI
cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We
collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside.
Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I
used in my "triangle of life" survival method. After the
simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble
and entered the building to film and document the results.
The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under
directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to
building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent
survival for those doing duck and cover.

There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for
people using my method of the "triangle of life." This film
has been seen by millions of viewers on television in
Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen
in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program
Real

flying · 08-30-2012, 10:49 PM

I live about 20 miles from Coos Bay, but what can one do. Its always something no matter where you go. Hell I've all righty been paralyzed twice, whats one more time?

anban · 08-31-2012, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nauticalmike

Actually under a desk or in a doorway is a sure fire way to get crushed in an earthquake. Contrary to popular belief you want to lay down next to something like a desk or a bed so that the collapsing building does not crush you. It's because the object will absorb the energy of the collapse and leave the area in it's immediate vicinity untouched.

That makes a LOT of sense...Us Oregonians will take a while to get properly trained...

Wise Young · 08-31-2012, 09:49 PM

NauticalMike,

I just corrected your post, replacing all the ( > marks with <cr>. The message that you posted is very interesting and makes a lot of sense. If true, it could save many lives and the methods they now teach around the world should be revised. I grew up in Tokyo, where there were nearly weekly small earthquakes and some big ones every year or two. We had "earthquake drills" which consisted to getting out of the buildings as quickly as possible to standing in the middle of the playground. Doug Copp's article is reproduced here at http://www.piedmontcivic.org/2011/04...ere-you-think/

The pictures that they show of the safest places to be at during an earthquake are very interesting. The pictures are worth a thousand words.

Wise.

08-06-2012, 03:39 PM	#4
woman from Europe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 6,546	You can sit in the doorway It is one of the safest places too. __________________ TH 12, 43 years post

08-30-2012, 07:56 PM	#7
nauticalmike Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pinole, CA Posts: 511	The survival methods described here are logical and proven despite the fact they contradict methods still is being taught today. One other point not mentioned is overhead power lines.* In LA they are strung down the alleys, so when evacuating your house during an earthquake, exit out the front door and not the back, or be aware of where the higher voltage lines run and get away from them. -Erik A bit long and repetitive but info is important and worth it, Where to be During an Earthquake. Remember that stuff about hiding under a table or standing in a doorway?? Well, this guy has a completely reverse opinion. This is very interesting, different from what we were all taught. Boy! Is this ever an eye opener. Directly opposite of what we've been taught over the years! I can remember in school being told to, "duck and cover" or stand in a doorway during an earthquake. This guy's findings is absolutely amazing. I hope we all remember his survival method if we are ever in an earthquake!!! Please read this and pass the info along to your family members; it could save their lives someday! EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE" My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake. I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters. The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children were told to hide under something. Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life". The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building. TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY 1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed. 2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it. 3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs. 4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake. 5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair. 6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed! 7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged. 8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked. 9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them. 10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper. Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire world is experiencing natural calamities so be prepared! "We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly" In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul, University of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real Last edited by Wise Young; 08-31-2012 at 09:40 PM. Reason: corrected the return characters*

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08-31-2012, 09:49 PM	#10
Wise Young Administrator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: New Brunswick, NJ, USA Posts: 37,988	NauticalMike, I just corrected your post, replacing all the ( > marks with <cr>. The message that you posted is very interesting and makes a lot of sense. If true, it could save many lives and the methods they now teach around the world should be revised. I grew up in Tokyo, where there were nearly weekly small earthquakes and some big ones every year or two. We had "earthquake drills" which consisted to getting out of the buildings as quickly as possible to standing in the middle of the playground. Doug Copp's article is reproduced here at http://www.piedmontcivic.org/2011/04...ere-you-think/ The pictures that they show of the safest places to be at during an earthquake are very interesting. The pictures are worth a thousand words. Wise.