I don't know anymore

MADPRODUCER · 01-11-2004, 04:07 PM

AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN

I can do everything for myself etc etc... It's just this... I have the digi/supp inserter.. I insert the supp independently bymyself.. I drink plenty water, stool softners etc... I can wipe my own butt... I stim in a circular motion.. I've used magic bullet but there too strong.. Im using glycerin they seem to be too weak.. I m doing everything everyone said.. Im tired of ka ka flying everywhere..

Sitting in my chair it feel like something stuck up my butt, get in bed the same, take a ride while im driving still feel like it, as I type too...

So after thinking , all my stool comes down.. It just my sphin is tight, can that be relaxed someway so my stool can just come out?
I'll be leaving in a matter of dayS MY NERVES ARE SHOT........ IM TIRED OF STUFF UP MY AZZ IT HURTS.... I dont see how homos do it..

joshstevens7 · 01-11-2004, 06:26 PM

whats up dogg, im going on 6 months post SCI and i must say, that i shit everywhere while in the hospital, and had alot of accidents at rehab, but as soon as i got out, i quit with the suppositories cause they suck, and i didnt want to waste time inserting them and sitting/laying there for them to kick in. once i quit with those, i have had one accident since, and it was before i went to once a day shits. i was going every other day, but that wasnt enough. ive been going everynight about an hour to an hour and a half after dinner, but im working on swithchin it to the mornings when i wake up. so im going both the morning and night but not as much comes out both times. i take easy-lax from walgreens, which is one 100mg tablet at night, so thats not bad, and it keeps it nice and soft but not too soft and not too hard. if you have any questions, contact me. later man

Josh S.
T6 as of 7/17/03

betheny · 01-11-2004, 07:31 PM

mad, only you could make me laugh about the damn bowel thing. I know, it's not funny, oh do I know, but you CRACK ME UP!

When I get pain real bad, there's more waiting to come out, everytime I eat, sorry I'm no help but thanks for the giggle.

C5/6 incomplete, injured Aug. 2000

SCI-Nurse · 01-11-2004, 07:44 PM

Mad Producer - I can understand your frustration. I am sorry that you are having such a rough time with your bowel program.

If I understand your post correctly, it seems everything is working until the actual process of expelling the stool. How long are you able to do digital stimulation? If I remember correctly, dig stim is difficult for you because of your level of injury but I am wondering if you need to try to do it either for a slightly longer period of time or several times during your bowel program. I do think that you need to continue to use either a suppository or mini-enema to also help stimulate bowel action.

I am also wondering if there is any other reason for the feeling that "something is stuck up my butt" Do you have considerable sensation in your pelvic region? Is your stool softly formed? Are you free of hemorrhoids? Have you had the assistance of a health professional such as a home health nurse as you have tried to get your BP better established? A response to some of these questions may help us provide more guidance. CRF

MADPRODUCER · 01-11-2004, 10:27 PM

Thanks CRF

Exactly, everything is working correctly, it's just the evacuation of the stool.. I can do stim for about 30 secs and thats really
hurting it. It's not really difficult, I am going in a circular motion.. So I think im stimming right.. Though stool comes out.. Don't you only supposed to stim 3x's to prevent any damage, I only stim 3x's in my BP..

Any supp or mini-enema suggestions? brand names? Yes I have sensation in my pelvic area... My stool is a nice soft..
I never had hemorrhoids,, I never had a nurse come in to assist with my BP.. When I was first in the hospital '( lake charles ) where im from, they never did a BP, I was just pooping on my own... Then when I transferred to TIRR they started me on a BP..
I never understood that..

It's hell beth..

josh you just easy-lax and that's it? never heard of easy-lax.. Ill look online.

I never though I would fight with my shit like this...

Lshall82978@yahoo.com · 01-12-2004, 06:10 AM

Out of curiousity, what is the digi stim/inserter? Got a link to it?

Lshall82978@yahoo.com · 01-12-2004, 10:25 AM

BUMP because I'd really like an answer to my question.

joshstevens7 · 01-12-2004, 11:28 AM

well, i take vitamins everyday from General nutrition center, i take cranberry pills for my bladdar, anti-depressants, vitamin C for bladdar also, and easy-lax.

easy-lax is from walgreens store but you can probably find it at an eckerds or maybe even walmart, it is a docusate sodium 100mg tablet. it says stool softener on the bottle, and say to take once a day preferably at bedtime.

now, ya, im only 5 months post, but i digital stim also and i do it as much as i need to, til i feel im done, so i wont be paranoid all day. i use latex gloves and stim as far up as i feel i need to but usually only 1 1/2 inches max. i have found that i keep pressure on the spinx wall til i hear the drop cause if i dont, it will tighten up again and nothin will come out. im not worried to much about hemmoroids now, but ill deal with it if it comes. im just really careful with the whole program. i sometimes go through 6 gloves with one session. i wait about 5 minutes between times, so i have a book to read.

i would say, go as soon as you get out of bed, and then go about 1 1/2 hours after dinner til you get it down. now this works great for me, but everyone is different. i had suppositories and will never take one again. just get on a scheduale and stick with it til you get it down, however you do it. i als would recomend eating alot of fiber cereal in the morning, because fiber helps push it down and is good for you. just make sure its a high fiber cereal. well, thats all for now. let me know anything more. peace out

Josh Stevens
T6 para as of 7/17/03

"Nobody's perfect...til you fall in love with them!"

"People respect you as a leader when you show you are grounded" msn horoscope

joshstevens7 · 01-12-2004, 11:33 AM

well, i take vitamins everyday from General nutrition center, i take cranberry pills for my bladdar, anti-depressa

Kaprikorn1 · 01-12-2004, 12:17 PM

Mad...

Preaching to the choir, brotha...

I am 2 yrs post and since i got over the initial runs/accidents of the first 6 mo's I've gone the other way, usually constipated.

I have found that the best thing for me is, at the start of BP...using plenty of lube, I get the sphincter loose by inserting 1 finger then as it relaxes, inserting 2. You can then sort of spread your fingers with gentle, even pressure and get sphincter to loosen up and relax...I follow this immediately with dig stim and let fingers remain inside slightly till I feel the peristalic contractions begin...then slide out fingers and push along with the contractions. It's important not to strain too hard...just a steady firm push. When stool is soft it often takes 45 to 60 secs for that one contraction to evacuate what's "presented". I rest a few minutes, do a little abdominal massage, then repeat the whole procedure. I may have to repeat 4-6 times before I can tell I'm empty and don't have that feeling of "something up my butt". Sometimes...I think my bowel just gets tired or nothing else is ready to "drop" so I stop...go do something else and come back a couple hours later and do again.

I go through 5 or 6 gloves per BP session, too, sometimes. It's no big deal. The "EZ Lax" Josh mentioned is just Walgreen's Colace...a stool softener, so if you got softees already it wont help much.

Also, one other thing on diet...since I started eating Frosted Mini Wheats twice a day it has really improved my stool motility...must be the fiber!

Kap

"It's not easy being green"

01-11-2004, 04:07 PM	#1
MADPRODUCER Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lake charles Posts: 1,049	I don't know anymore AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN I can do everything for myself etc etc... It's just this... I have the digi/supp inserter.. I insert the supp independently bymyself.. I drink plenty water, stool softners etc... I can wipe my own butt... I stim in a circular motion.. I've used magic bullet but there too strong.. Im using glycerin they seem to be too weak.. I m doing everything everyone said.. Im tired of ka ka flying everywhere.. Sitting in my chair it feel like something stuck up my butt, get in bed the same, take a ride while im driving still feel like it, as I type too... So after thinking , all my stool comes down.. It just my sphin is tight, can that be relaxed someway so my stool can just come out? I'll be leaving in a matter of dayS MY NERVES ARE SHOT........ IM TIRED OF STUFF UP MY AZZ IT HURTS.... I dont see how homos do it..

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01-11-2004, 06:26 PM	#2
joshstevens7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,087	whats up dogg, im going on 6 months post SCI and i must say, that i shit everywhere while in the hospital, and had alot of accidents at rehab, but as soon as i got out, i quit with the suppositories cause they suck, and i didnt want to waste time inserting them and sitting/laying there for them to kick in. once i quit with those, i have had one accident since, and it was before i went to once a day shits. i was going every other day, but that wasnt enough. ive been going everynight about an hour to an hour and a half after dinner, but im working on swithchin it to the mornings when i wake up. so im going both the morning and night but not as much comes out both times. i take easy-lax from walgreens, which is one 100mg tablet at night, so thats not bad, and it keeps it nice and soft but not too soft and not too hard. if you have any questions, contact me. later man Josh S. T6 as of 7/17/03

01-11-2004, 07:31 PM	#3
betheny Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oklahoma,USA Posts: 18,337	mad, only you could make me laugh about the damn bowel thing. I know, it's not funny, oh do I know, but you CRACK ME UP! When I get pain real bad, there's more waiting to come out, everytime I eat, sorry I'm no help but thanks for the giggle. C5/6 incomplete, injured Aug. 2000

01-11-2004, 07:44 PM	#4
SCI-Nurse Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: USA Posts: 41,515	Mad Producer - I can understand your frustration. I am sorry that you are having such a rough time with your bowel program. If I understand your post correctly, it seems everything is working until the actual process of expelling the stool. How long are you able to do digital stimulation? If I remember correctly, dig stim is difficult for you because of your level of injury but I am wondering if you need to try to do it either for a slightly longer period of time or several times during your bowel program. I do think that you need to continue to use either a suppository or mini-enema to also help stimulate bowel action. I am also wondering if there is any other reason for the feeling that "something is stuck up my butt" Do you have considerable sensation in your pelvic region? Is your stool softly formed? Are you free of hemorrhoids? Have you had the assistance of a health professional such as a home health nurse as you have tried to get your BP better established? A response to some of these questions may help us provide more guidance. CRF

01-11-2004, 10:27 PM	#5
MADPRODUCER Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lake charles Posts: 1,049	Thanks CRF Exactly, everything is working correctly, it's just the evacuation of the stool.. I can do stim for about 30 secs and thats really hurting it. It's not really difficult, I am going in a circular motion.. So I think im stimming right.. Though stool comes out.. Don't you only supposed to stim 3x's to prevent any damage, I only stim 3x's in my BP.. Any supp or mini-enema suggestions? brand names? Yes I have sensation in my pelvic area... My stool is a nice soft.. I never had hemorrhoids,, I never had a nurse come in to assist with my BP.. When I was first in the hospital '( lake charles ) where im from, they never did a BP, I was just pooping on my own... Then when I transferred to TIRR they started me on a BP.. I never understood that.. It's hell beth.. josh you just easy-lax and that's it? never heard of easy-lax.. Ill look online. I never though I would fight with my shit like this...

01-12-2004, 06:10 AM	#6
Lshall82978@yahoo.com Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 957	Out of curiousity, what is the digi stim/inserter? Got a link to it?

01-12-2004, 10:25 AM	#7
Lshall82978@yahoo.com Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 957	BUMP because I'd really like an answer to my question.

01-12-2004, 11:28 AM	#8
joshstevens7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,087	well, i take vitamins everyday from General nutrition center, i take cranberry pills for my bladdar, anti-depressants, vitamin C for bladdar also, and easy-lax. easy-lax is from walgreens store but you can probably find it at an eckerds or maybe even walmart, it is a docusate sodium 100mg tablet. it says stool softener on the bottle, and say to take once a day preferably at bedtime. now, ya, im only 5 months post, but i digital stim also and i do it as much as i need to, til i feel im done, so i wont be paranoid all day. i use latex gloves and stim as far up as i feel i need to but usually only 1 1/2 inches max. i have found that i keep pressure on the spinx wall til i hear the drop cause if i dont, it will tighten up again and nothin will come out. im not worried to much about hemmoroids now, but ill deal with it if it comes. im just really careful with the whole program. i sometimes go through 6 gloves with one session. i wait about 5 minutes between times, so i have a book to read. i would say, go as soon as you get out of bed, and then go about 1 1/2 hours after dinner til you get it down. now this works great for me, but everyone is different. i had suppositories and will never take one again. just get on a scheduale and stick with it til you get it down, however you do it. i als would recomend eating alot of fiber cereal in the morning, because fiber helps push it down and is good for you. just make sure its a high fiber cereal. well, thats all for now. let me know anything more. peace out Josh Stevens T6 para as of 7/17/03 "Nobody's perfect...til you fall in love with them!" "People respect you as a leader when you show you are grounded" msn horoscope

01-12-2004, 11:33 AM	#9
joshstevens7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,087	well, i take vitamins everyday from General nutrition center, i take cranberry pills for my bladdar, anti-depressa

01-12-2004, 12:17 PM	#10
Kaprikorn1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.F. Bay Area, Calif. Posts: 1,369	Mad... Preaching to the choir, brotha... I am 2 yrs post and since i got over the initial runs/accidents of the first 6 mo's I've gone the other way, usually constipated. I have found that the best thing for me is, at the start of BP...using plenty of lube, I get the sphincter loose by inserting 1 finger then as it relaxes, inserting 2. You can then sort of spread your fingers with gentle, even pressure and get sphincter to loosen up and relax...I follow this immediately with dig stim and let fingers remain inside slightly till I feel the peristalic contractions begin...then slide out fingers and push along with the contractions. It's important not to strain too hard...just a steady firm push. When stool is soft it often takes 45 to 60 secs for that one contraction to evacuate what's "presented". I rest a few minutes, do a little abdominal massage, then repeat the whole procedure. I may have to repeat 4-6 times before I can tell I'm empty and don't have that feeling of "something up my butt". Sometimes...I think my bowel just gets tired or nothing else is ready to "drop" so I stop...go do something else and come back a couple hours later and do again. I go through 5 or 6 gloves per BP session, too, sometimes. It's no big deal. The "EZ Lax" Josh mentioned is just Walgreen's Colace...a stool softener, so if you got softees already it wont help much. Also, one other thing on diet...since I started eating Frosted Mini Wheats twice a day it has really improved my stool motility...must be the fiber! Kap "It's not easy being green"