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    If you take a look at the CNet article Bill Gates never says Windows 7, and he could be referring to Windows Vista SP2.

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    Interesting...well the fact that they said they would stop support for vista in 2012 makes me think, they are coming up with somthing better, not just a SP2 for vista.

    But whatever windows 7 is, as long as it performs better than Vista I'll be happy and switch to it, but if I can get more FPS out of xp over the new OS, there is no chance I'll be switching even when I build a new rig.


    Actually doing a google search, I found this:
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d..._Chairman.html


    The chairman of Microsoft Corp., Bill Gates, said at a news-conference that the world’s largest maker of software is on-track to release its next-generation operating system (OS) sometime in 2009. Certain indirect claims of Microsoft confirm this timeframe, which was already once named as the deadline for what is known as Windows 7, but then the company announced different schedules for code-named Vienna OS.

    Early in 2007 the company indicated that it would replace Windows Vista in two or two and a half years from them. However, already in mid-2007 the world’s largest software firm said that it would take it three years to create the new code-named Vienna operating system, which official name is projected to be Windows 7. In Janury, 2008, the world’s largest software developer implied that the new version of Windows was due in 2011.
    So it does sound like its not just going to be an update.

    But like Pat said who knows when this will be released, some said 2009, this said is due in 2011. they arn't ever on time, so it could be in 2020, but as long as vista is around I Don't think i'll get it unless it really optizmies duo cores so that there isn't a big hit in game performance.

    To bad the new 9800gtx's were a big let down by nvidia, I guess thats what happens when their is a lack of competition in the market, NEXT GEN CARD: SLAP 2 OLDER CARDS TOGETHER AND CALL IT NEW AND LOWER ITS BANDWIDTH. :P
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    According to Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows:

    First of all, I feel that it's important to actually live and breathe Windows 7 to gain a true appreciation for the product, so I'm using it on my main desktop machine, which is now multi-booting between an alarming number of operating system versions. (Incidentally, I don't recommend this at all. I'm doing it for testing purposes only and it's unclear how long I'll be able to deal with this.) When I first received the Windows 7 build 6519 install DVD, I just did a test install in a virtual machine. This is nice for screenshots and general testing, but it doesn't give you an understanding of the performance and maturity differences compared to its predecessor. Obviously, installing it on live hardware and actually using the thing is crucial. So I am. God help us all.

    And sure enough, Windows 7 in day-to-day use is exactly what distantly-viewed screenshots and virtual machine installs had suggested: It's an update to Windows Vista with an extremely similar user experience and performance. It reminds me, very much, of the very first "community test" preview build that Microsoft shipped for Memphis back in, oh, late 1996: It was stable, fast, and had just enough going on to be interesting. Windows 7 build 6519 is just like that: If you're not paying attention, you're clearly running Windows Vista. Look a bit deeper and, oh my, what's that? And that? There are hundreds of minor changes.
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    Interesting, the main difference I heard and advantage of windows 7, is that its not bloated like vista. Its suppose to be super fast and not bottleneck applications like vista currently does in gaming.

    But who knows, if its just an update, there is no way they can just rip out a ton of stuff and call it SP2.

    So its either they are basing the look and feel of vista (which they probably would) because the UI of vista I think is quite nice but under the hood its a totally different machine. I guess we will have to wait and see.

    THe average user of vista wouldn't even notice a difference in performance going from xp to vista.

    If all i was doing was doing word and surving the internet, I would be fine with vista, its much prettier than xp and I think better organized.
    But when it comes to gaming, which is the only reason why I even use Windows, its lacking on performance.
    If it wasn't for games, i would be using a mac right now.
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    Ahhh... This is exactly why I switched to Linux about a year ago

    Commercial OS's are always going to be designed with new systems in mind. That's the whole point of a new OS (as well as where probably 90% of Vista sales comes from). The crappy thing is companies like MS seem to have the attitude that since they're dealing with the next gen of hardware they have even more resources available to hog. They just gobble up whatever they can to "enhance" the OS as much as possible, to make themselves look good in other words. Screw your third party apps, especially games!

    Support for older hardware, as a result, is not always very good. Many consumers refuse to see computers as disposable (and rightly so!). That's the biggest issue I've had to deal in Vista. I was helping my mom's friend get her new PC set up and it turned out there were NO drivers for her old all-in-one printer. So all we could do was wait 3 months for the drivers to come out. And, honestly, should five years be considered "old" for something like a printer?

    Then there are performance issues. This is probably a bigger issue than outdated hardware. From what I've heard, you want 2GB of RAM or more for Vista. The fixes for performance issues are pretty easy, and RAM is fairly affordable these days (I remember paying 80 bucks for 32MB back in the day!), but it's still kind of annoying. You could be getting a lot more performance out of said hardware with XP (or, even better, Linux )

    There is one thing that people have bitched about a lot that is actually a good thing: those annoying "Allow this action?" boxes. MS is finally trying to adopt a more secure file system (ala Linux), where programs don't have access to basically your entire hard drive when you run them. This issue actually needs to be addressed by the third party software companies. They are the ones who need to redo their software so that it doesn't access areas of the system it has no business accessing in the first place. Security is even more strict in Linux, and guess how many programs I use that require such access? Zero. Guess how many viruses/malware I have had since switching to Linux? Zero. I'm not sure if you can disable those "Allow this action?" nags or not, but I would hope not. It should now be up to the third parties to write safer, more secure code.

    I love Linux, but it's not for everybody. Use what you want. If you've got money, maybe go for a Mac. If you can't afford the hottest hardware, stick w/ XP. If you just have to have the newest thing, maybe try Vista. Just keep in mind it will slow you down a bit, but if you're willing to spend time tweaking it you might get some improvements.

    For those who want efficiency and total control, Linux is the way to go. Again, you're going to be spending a lot of time tweaking to get everything just the way you like it. For us nerds though, the tweaking is the fun part!

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    I found ubuntu easier to install than windows. If someone can't get ubuntu to run, they probably shouldn't be on a computer XD


    I actually whipped my linux harddrive and put vista on it lol, because i needed to compare how bad it hurt my game performance but I didn't want to whipe my xp drive.

    I like linux, again, I don't use it often because I can't play the latest and greatest games. Well I could with wine, but emulation really kills performance even more so than vista.

    But at work I'm always on a linux box with RHEL
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_coffee
    I found ubuntu easier to install than windows. If someone can't get ubuntu to run, they probably shouldn't be on a computer XD


    I actually whipped my linux harddrive and put vista on it lol, because i needed to compare how bad it hurt my game performance but I didn't want to whipe my xp drive.

    I like linux, again, I don't use it often because I can't play the latest and greatest games. Well I could with wine, but emulation really kills performance even more so than vista.

    But at work I'm always on a linux box with RHEL
    Indeed, Ubuntu is super easy to install. The issues I've had with it involved tweaking hardware settings to get everything just right. For instance, I was using two 21" CRT monitors and the OS was not able to detect the proper resolutions/frequencies for one of them for some reason. It took me about 3-4 days to get dual monitors working properly with the Nvidia driver. Video stuff has generally been somewhat of a pain. Getting DVD movies to play took more effort than I thought, and getting Flash installed properly was a pain since I'm using 64bit Linux.

    My last upgrade was a 28" widescreen LCD monitor (!!!!), and I had the hardest time getting Ubuntu to boot up at 1920x1200 instead of 1600x1200. It just kept ignoring my changes, I ended up having to manually redo most of the xorg.conf.

    Yeah, there's not as many games for Linux for sure. I did try Quake 4 and Quake Wars for Linux, but was not impressed. The modest improvement in graphics was not worth the drop in fps for me. I ran QW at 800x600 with effects on low and was still only getting 30 fps! That's not fun after coming from a game that I run at 125 fps w/ the monitor @ 125hz! And I do have a dual core CPU + GeForce 7900 graphics card.

    The only game I ever play anymore is Urban Terror anyway (based on the Q3 engine). It's definitely the most addictive game I have ever seen. Takes some time to get used to, but the gameplay is amazing. Check it out, http://www.urbanterror.net

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason C
    it turned out there were NO drivers for her old all-in-one printer. So all we could do was wait 3 months for the drivers to come out. And, honestly, should five years be considered "old" for something like a printer?........


    ..........I'm not sure if you can disable those "Allow this action?" nags or not, but I would hope not. !
    Oh, you want drivers with Vista? Well arent you picky! LOL

    Here's a good one for you...3 year old laptop touchpad had no 'official' driver support until some 12 months or so after Vista's release. Now that's some planning for you. I guess those stories of MS and hardware vendors not being on the same page in the support department are true. I can only imagine how many headaches someone that didnt have the ability to make it use a similar driver would have trying to use the new super-duper Vista on their machine. Actually pretty funny seeing an official WU sourced driver come down the pike for this touchpad a year after release.

    And yeah, you can kill the multiple layers of "are you sure" nags in Vista. Must be safer, what with some 4 layers of nags for some things you want to do, huh? Not a whole lot of thought put into that setup IMO. I was having lots of WTF moments after loading Vista up on this laptop for sure.

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    Paul Thurott stated last Saturday that there is no transcript of the speech Bill Gates gave at the conference. Thurott went on to say that Microsoft’s release of Windows 7 is still on the docket for 2010. Thurott thinks that Bill Gates was probably talking about Fiji, which is the Media Center update, that was supposed to be part of Vista Service Pack 1 originally, but it got delayed because the Media Center guys were working on the Zune software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PN
    Paul Thurott stated last Saturday that there is no transcript of the speech Bill Gates gave at the conference. Thurott went on to say that Microsoft’s release of Windows 7 is still on the docket for 2010. Thurott thinks that Bill Gates was probably talking about Fiji, which is the Media Center update, that was supposed to be part of Vista Service Pack 1 originally, but it got delayed because the Media Center guys were working on the Zune software.
    looks like i'll be joining the vista crew!
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