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    Can someone please explain this??

    I'm going to throw this out to the more powerful and scientific minds than my own.... In an around central Pa, the gas stations are using a gasoline mixed with 10% ethanol. (Not to be confused with E85) I assume they're doing this as a "filler" to decrease our demand on foreign oil, but maybe I'm wrong. The problem is that my mileage drops from 26 to 20 mpg's (city) in my car and from 16 to 12 mpg's at all times in my van. If I'm consuming 18% MORE fuel overall, and it takes a gallon of fuel to manufacture a gallon of ethonal...... What am I or the rest of us saving?

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    Dave
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herco16
    and it takes a gallon of fuel to manufacture a gallon of ethonal...... What am I or the rest of us saving?

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    FWIW, as you know, ethanol is grain alcohol so the source material is entirely other than is gasoline. I can't think of anything else that comes to bare on the question. Hope this is some help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herco16
    I'm going to through this out to the more powerful and scientific minds than my own.... In an around central Pa, the gas stations are using a gasoline mixed with 10% ethanol. (Not to be confused with E85) I assume they're doing this as a "filler" to decrease our demand on foreign oil, but maybe I'm wrong. The problem is that my mileage drops from 26 to 20 mpg's (city) in my car and from 16 to 12 mpg's at all times in my van. If I'm consuming 18% MORE fuel overall, and it takes a gallon of fuel to manufacture a gallon of ethonal...... What am I or the rest of us saving?

    Answers?

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    Dave
    As you have found out Dave, nothing!

    Just check your food prices, this year over last and you will see that ethanol production is a subsidy to the agri sector which has put money into the corporate farmers <friend's of George W.> pockets (95% of US farms are corpoart owned) and taken it from yours. Your food prices are up!

    Ethanlo is another boon doggle and coporate subsidy leading to quick profits and inflation.

    The question is ... HOW WILL the US get rid of this ag subsidy which has created an artificial floor in agri products in the US?
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    At first glance, the environmental and economic arguments for Ethanol do not appear convincing. I am open to persuasion if anyone has evidence to the contrary.
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    I use ethanol 100% of the time. Here in Iowa, it's a dime per gallon less expensive than regular, and my mileage only drops 1 or 2 mpg.

    An added benifit, the local farmers are actually able to make a couple bucks for the 1st time in decades.

    It's far from a perfect solution, but it was never intended to be. Corn based ethanol is just the "gateway grain", until the world catches up to soy diesel.

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    Same thing down in Tx. I could get 33/34 regularly on my xB. Now I'm lucky to average 29mpg. (when you get 30+, anything in the 20's is bad)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeyes
    I use ethanol 100% of the time. Here in Iowa, it's a dime per gallon less expensive than regular, and my mileage only drops 1 or 2 mpg.

    An added benifit, the local farmers are actually able to make a couple bucks for the 1st time in decades.

    It's far from a perfect solution, but it was never intended to be. Corn based ethanol is just the "gateway grain", until the world catches up to soy diesel.

    Joe
    What are you driving? I have a 1997 car and a 2004 van and its horrible in both. If I was only losing 1 or 2 Mpg's it wouldn't be a big deal, but costing me 20% more....the farmers may as well be wearing masks and pointing a gun at me.

    I now buy the mid-grade where I can. For some reason they either don't add as much E to the mid-grade or it doesn't affect the mpgs as much in that blend. It costs about 3% more and I get nearly the same mileage as before.

    Sorry farmers, I gotta do what I gotta do. Especially when we have to purchase the fuel to create the ethanol in the first place!

    Dave
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