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    Quote Originally Posted by kap
    I feel bad for all parties involved. Seems like it escalated fast and not one person in the whole group was thinking clearly. In response to Beth29, "the threat of of harm is not a criminal offense." Actually it is, at least in IL it is. The White family could have had Cicciaro and his friends arrested for causing him to be "alarmed and disturbed." You can not threaten people and get away with it.

    One more fatality resulting from Myspace.
    I was threatened with harm and the police said they couldn't do anything about it until the person actually did something. The police said they couldn't intervene or pursue the individual on the presumption he was going to follow through on his threat to me. That you can't arrest someone because they MIGHT do something.

    My lawyer also said due to a few things specific to the "event" he also could not pursue the person under a civil case and that physical harm to my person or property had to happen for criminal pursuit.

    I've had to live with my rights being violated (everyone agreed they were violated).
    I've had to live with the continued threat to my safety from this individual.
    And to this day there is nothing I can do because the person walks that fine line where he is unreachable both criminally and civilly (each having their own criteria of what is needed to pursue a case).

    Threat of harm has to be imminent I think.

    Then there is the issue of jurisdiction
    county - state - federal

    Which code - ordinance - tort - or whatever.

    My situation was a complicated one with no confusion over the obvious wrong doing of the individual but whether or not he could be pursued and who that would be. Certain parties involved would not assist because they weren't legally bound to - when their direct involvement could have ended or at least reduced the situation significantly. It was loophole city.

    I exhausted all my avenues and was headed toward the FBI when the guy sudden stopped the majority of his threats so maybe he got wind. Now he only reappears every once in a while but the threat is always there.

    In any case - it's an uneasy feeling all the time.

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    And I agree, had the White family called the police instead of killing the boy, the news would be about the White's litigating against the Cicciaro family.

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    I think I would have swatted at the gun to reduce the threat of it being at my face. So was Daniel's hand injured with the gun shot as well? If the contact of Daniels' hand toward the gun was significant enough, then the shot to the face should have been less direct. So does any news article offer the angle in which the bullet hit the boy's face? [to see if it could have been accidental in a struggle type thing]

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    Never point a gun at a living being without the intent of shooting them
    Never put your finger on the trigger without the intent of pulling the trigger

    There are better ways of saying those two statements but they are good rules to live by if you own a gun or are in contact with one.

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    The jury is still deadlocked. I've been watching this on the local news. It's a tough case. Both sides have their points. They played the 911 call after the young man was shot and his one friend was dropping the n word during the call giving the defense more opportunity to use the lynch mob defense. I think it was an unfortunate accident and had nothing to do with race.

    http://www.news12.com/LI/breakingNews

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    stupid, the write up i saw was the father had a handgun he stashed in the garage for quick access , this is the firearm he grabbed and used , his son followed him outside with a shotgun.
    no good can come of this situation. if the father hadn't shot the kid, his 17 year old son would probably have shot somone with the shotgun.
    staying inside and calling 911 would have been the smarter prudent thing to do , if they had broken into the house then everything has changed and you have the right to protect yourself and your family.
    too bad this doesn't apply on the streets of ny , way to many innocent people slaughtered since they are not allowed to protect themselves with anything from mace, tasers,stun guns.
    th scary thing is the number of weapon carrying police that are mugged
    cauda equina

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    The Whites obviously felt that their lives were in danger. If someone harrasses you at a party, gathers a group together and then calls you to tell you they're coming to your house to kill you, what else are you going to think? They went there looking for trouble. The father asked them to leave before the shooting and they refused.

    In the case of the guy that Fox news defended for shooting two men scoping his property in an attempt to break in, at least they fled when the homeowner confronted them. The Cicciaro mob refused to leave.

    What the Whites did could be easily considered self defense. You don't threaten someone at a party, call them up with threats to kill them, go to their home to follow through and then cry innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity
    The Whites obviously felt that their lives were in danger. If someone harrasses you at a party, gathers a group together and then calls you to tell you they're coming to your house to kill you, what else are you going to think? They went there looking for trouble. The father asked them to leave before the shooting and they refused.

    In the case of the guy that Fox news defended for shooting two men scoping his property in an attempt to break in, at least they fled when the homeowner confronted them. The Cicciaro mob refused to leave.

    What the Whites did could be easily considered self defense. You don't threaten someone at a party, call them up with threats to kill them, go to their home to follow through and then cry innocence.
    Did they refuse to leave?

    I am only reading about this case here so is that interpretation or fact?

    Cicciaro was definitely wrong for being there but in heated arguments people don't back down and walk away at first request. Especially with a gun pointed at your face. How much time passed - anyone know? And what weapons did Cicciaro have on him? Did anyone hit anyone? Can't really kill someone by looking at them or yelling bad words at them.

    Sounds like people calling each other's bluff and death was the result.

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    cicciaro threatened to kill him, gathered together a mob and then followed the guy to his home.

    those are some of the basic facts in the case.

    he went there looking for trouble.

    the White kid practiced the better judgement by walking away from a potentially dangerous situation and leaving the party. unfortunately, cicciaro didn't.

  7. #17
    It's a tragic result over several missteps by all involved. I don't think Aaron White's father wanted to kill Cicciaro, but he should have probably remained inside his home and waited for the police. Possibly, Cicciaro and his friends would have all been arrested.


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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity
    cicciaro threatened to kill him, gathered together a mob and then followed the guy to his home.

    those are some of the basic facts in the case.

    he went there looking for trouble.

    the White kid practiced the better judgement by walking away from a potentially dangerous situation and leaving the party. unfortunately, cicciaro didn't.
    Total agreement with you.

    I just don't think the person needed to be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Type Fran├žais
    It's a tragic result over several missteps by all involved. I don't think Aaron White's father wanted to kill Cicciaro, but he should have probably remained inside his home and waited for the police. Possibly, Cicciaro and his friends would have all been arrested.
    I agree here too that Mr. White probably didn't want to kill anyone. And I said something similar above about Cicciaro being arrested rather than being killed.
    And I agree, had the White family called the police instead of killing the boy, the news would be about the White's litigating against the Cicciaro family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity
    The Whites obviously felt that their lives were in danger. If someone harrasses you at a party, gathers a group together and then calls you to tell you they're coming to your house to kill you, what else are you going to think? They went there looking for trouble. The father asked them to leave before the shooting and they refused. .
    not in ny , a crowd of teenagers gathered on your front lawn doesnt give one the right to go outside with guns.
    sit inside call the police and if someone breaks down your door you then have the right to shoot,
    that was a horrible decison to face them with firearms , th ecrown was no bunch of genius eother, probably all intoxicated and doinf stupid things, another reason to stay inside the saftey of the house
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