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    Installing Leopard

    I use three Mac laptops (various ages) and I installed Leopard (Mac OSX 10.5) on them one at a time and worked with the operating system on the other machines before installing it on my main machine, a 17" inch 2.33 GHz Intel Core Duo MacBook Pro. I had no problems installing Leopard on my other two machines, two G4 Powerbooks. Most of the programs that I use worked. And so, I built up confidence to install Leopard on my 17" inch. Before I did so, I of course backed up the entire drive with Super Duper (a program that makes a bootable copy of your hard disk on an external drive).

    Imagine my shock when, upon completion of the installation, my MacBook Pro refused to boot and showed the "blue screen of death". I thought this was so ironic since Macs have never ever had a blue screen before and this is something that only Windows computers ever show. Fortunately, they do talk about it on http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306857
    Issue or symptom

    After completing an upgrade installation of Leopard and restarting the computer, a "blue screen" may appear for an extended period of time.
    Products affected

    * Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard

    Solution

    You may have third-party "enhancement" software installed that does not work with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Use one of these solutions.

    Option A: Use another Mac to remove application enhancement software

    If you have a second Mac that has a FireWire port (even if it's not running Leopard), and a FireWire cable that you can connect to both computers, use this solution:

    1. Start your original, affected computer in Target Disk Mode by holding the T key, and connect it to your second computer. Your affected computer's hard disk volume(s) should appear on the desktop of the second computer.
    2. Open the second computer's mounted disk volume (where Leopard is installed), then open the System folder, then the Library folder, and finally the SystemConfiguration folder.
    3. Locate "ApplicationEnhancer.bundle" and move it to the Trash. Important: Do not delete any other files from your Leopard disk.
    4. Enter an admin account name and password if prompted.
    5. Eject the mounted volume(s). (Disconnect the FireWire cable if you want).
    6. Turn off the original computer and start it up again (holding no keys).

    If the issue persists, or if the "ApplicationEnhancer.bundle" file was not on your Leopard volume, use Option B.
    Well, above fix workedbut it was so disconcerting. So, if you get the blue screen of death, do the above. Or if you have a lot of system type enhancement applications installed, you should go in and trash the "ApplicationEnhancer.bundle" before you install Leopard.

    According to various sources, the following programs may have problems under Leopard.
    • Adobe Creative Suite 3 (unclear what problems exist) - Adobe
    • Some users have stated that Photoshop works fine under beta builds of Leopard
    • Cisco VPN client version 4.9.x (unclear what problems may exist) - mixed user reviews
    • FileMaker (unclear what problems exist) - FileMaker
    • Superduper


    I was unable to confirm some of these reports. For example, I have Adobe Creative Suite and all my programs seem to run fine. The only problem that I found was that the Adobe Photoshop could not synchronize the color settings but I never use that anyway and I think that this is just a preference setting. I also have Filemaker 6 Pro and it runs fine for me. Likewise, I have Super Duper and it seems to work on the Leopard but according the the manufacturer SuperDuper 2.1.4 is not yet fully Leopard compatible. So, I don't know why people are saying that they might not work.

    However, I do have several programs will not run on Leopard and there is no upgrade yet: [list][*] Cocktail 3.8.3. This is a unix optimization program. They say that Cocktail 4.0 will be compatible with Leopard in about 2 months.[*] Techtool Pro 4.5.3 is not compatible with Unix. [*]

    The following programs seem to run fine on the Leopard, as well. While I am at it, I might as well comment on the programs.
    • Adobe Acrobat Professional 6.0.2. Yes, I know this is a very old version back from 2003 but it still does everything and amazingly, it is compatible with Leopard. The only thing that it cannot do is update to the latest version of the 6 series, i.e. 6.0.4. The very old programs continue to be compatible. It is the newest programs that use the latest features of the OSX system that are not compatible. Acrobat allows me to create and edit PDF files, as well as distill them.
    • Adobe Acrobat Reader 8. This is the latest version of the Adobe Reader for the Mac. It works well and I use it for displaying my pdf files and also playing presentations.
    • Appleworks 6.2.9. This is venerable original program. It still works well. Word processor, spreadsheet, and draw program.
    • Appzapper 1.8.0. Straight forward remover of applications and associated files.
    • Amadeus Pro. Best music program.
    • Bookends 8. Great journal article database. I use Endnotes mostly but keep this for backup.
    • ChaChing 1.1.2. Financial manager. Never used it.
    • Clean App 2.4.1. In my opinion, the best of the application cleaners.
    • Comic Life 1.3.4. Creates comics.
    • Constrictor 2.4. Frames and crops pictures.
    • Coriolis CDmaker 1.2.0. Makes bootable CDs and DVDs.
    • Coreldraw 11 and CorelTrace 11 seem to work but Corel Photo 11 did not.
    • Disk Warrior 4.0 (compatible only if booted on Tiger earlier system). This is the one indispensible program that I have on the Mac. It is the best directory repair program. It is fast, safe, and very effective. Will fix things that other programs cannot.
    • Doubletake 2.0.5. T
    • DVDRemaster.
    • Easy iWeb Publisher 2.0.
    • Endnote X1 (Bld 2377). The best reference database. I use it for all my references. Unlimited file size and searches Pubmed automatically.
    • FastTrack 9.2. The best Mac Project management software.
    • Firefox 2.0.0.8. The best browser for the Mac OSX.
    • Filemaker Pro 6.0. The best text database available. The older versions still works. Newer versions do not. I have been using this version since 2002 without a hitch. Everything works.
    • Front Row. This plays videos from iTunes and from internet.
    • iDefrag 1.6.1. This is the best Mac disk defragmenter program.
    • imageJ 10.2. This is an NIH program that quantifies microscope images. Works great.
    • GrandPerspective 0.99. This a Mac Disk Space Visualization program. It seems to work fine. It organizes files in folders in geometric shapes that really tell you what files are how big.
    • Microsoft Office 2004 (all the apps, including Word, Excel, Powerpoint)
    • Parallels 3.0 works with Windows XT. Amazing. I was surprised.
    • Sapiens 1.0.4. This is a smart application access utility. You wave your mouse in a circle and Sapien comes up with a panel of the applications it surmises you need.
    • Skype 2.6.0.151. This phone program works well in Leopard.
    • Singular 0.8.1. This is a program that finds duplicate files.
    • smcFanControl. This allow syou to control your fan speed.
    • SnapNDrag 2.4.1. This is the best image capture utility for the Mac. It works.
    • Sticky Windows 2.3.4. This is an unobtrusive program that allows you to take any window and stick it to a side and it becomes a tab that pops up when you press the tab. A great way to organize your windows.
    • Tex-Edit Plus 4.1.2. This was my favorite text editor for one feature. It can automatically strip a variety of text characters to cThisonvert from Window text to Mac text.
    • Tinderbox 4.0.2. This is an unique program for note-taking. They call themselves a "personal content management assistant". Basically, you type in your notes, ideas, plans, and a series of modifiable and programmable "agents" helps "discover" relationships between your notes, producing very interesting organizational charts that are web ready for publication. This same company makes Yojimbo, one of my favorite programs for storing data.
    • Transmission 0.92. This is, in opinion, the best Torrents program for the Mac OSX.
    • Writeroom 2.3.5. This is a very unusual program that simply blacks out the rest of your screen and presents you with an uncluttered window to do your writing. It is very effective and I use it a great deal when I want to do my best writing. It costs $25 and a lot of people complain but, in my opinion, it is worth a lot more. You can use it in an cocoa-based program by simply selecting it and you can type in the text in the writeroom environment in another program. When you are finished, the text appears in your box. By the way, how do you think I do all my longer text writing? Maybe that is why I write such long posts.
    • Toast Titanium X 8.0.1. I have not yet used this upgrade. The older Titanium 6 and 7 would not work with Leopard.
    • Yojimbo 1.4.2. This is the program that I use to store all the web files, serial numbers, and other bits and piece of information that I get all day. It takes a variety of files and allows you to search for them.
    • ZeusDraw 1.2.1 works.
    • Zinio reader


    I will continue this list later. It is too long.

    Wise.
    Last edited by Wise Young; 11-11-2007 at 04:27 PM.

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    I did a clean install (Erase & Install) on my Dual G5 Powermac a couple days ago. I too created a bootable copy of my system drive on an external disk, but used Carbon Copy Cloner. I didn't encounter any blue screen of death (although, when OS X finds shared PCs on a network, the PC icon has a BSOD on it ).

    Everything I've needed runs fine so far. No problems with Photoshop CS3.

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    There is a warning from MacFixit that one should not use Disk Warrior or similar utilities on Mac OS 10.5 Leopard until further notice.

    http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?...71024094829561

    Alsoft, the maker of Disk Warrior issued the following statement:
    http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/support.html
    10/29/2007 (updates and replaces the entry originally dated 10/26/2007)
    DiskWarrior 4.0 will successfully rebuild a disk that has Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard installed or a disk that has been attached to a computer running Leopard.

    However, some operating system functionality has changed within Leopard itself. As such, there are some compatibility issues when running an installed copy of DiskWarrior 4.0 while started up from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Alsoft currently recommends that you do not run DiskWarrior 4.0 while the computer is started from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.

    Instead, to run DiskWarrior, you should start up the computer from either:

    1) A DiskWarrior 4.0 CD.

    2) Any disk that starts up in 10.4.x and then run DiskWarrior 4.0.

    An updated version of DiskWarrior that has complete Leopard compatibility will be released soon as a free download for existing owners of DiskWarrior 4.0.

    What you can expect when running DiskWarrior 4.0 under Mac OS X 10.4.x and rebuilding a Leopard disk.

    All features work as expected with two exceptions:

    1) You should not use any utility to repair permissions of a Leopard start up disk while started from Mac OS X 10.4.x or earlier. Permissions will either not be be repaired or will be repaired improperly. This is true whether you repair permissions with Apple's Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, or any other third-party utility. Regardless of which utility you use, the same service within Mac OS X is used to perform the actual permissions repair so the behavior is always the same.

    To repair permissions of a Leopard startup disk, be sure you've always started your Mac from Leopard. Alsoft also recommends using only the Disk Utility included with Leopard to repair permissions until an updated version of DiskWarrior is released.

    Note: If you have used any utility to repair permissions of a Leopard startup disk while started from Mac OS X 10.4 or earlier, Alsoft recommends that you perform an upgrade install of Leopard over your existing Leopard install. This will restore any changed permissions to their original values without altering your data.

    2) FileVaults created while started from Leopard are not visible to DiskWarrior 4.0 and cannot be rebuilt (repaired).

    What you can expect when running DiskWarrior 4.0 under Mac OS X 10.5 and rebuilding a Leopard disk.

    While not recommended (and discouraged), if you do run DiskWarrior 4.0 while started from Mac OS X 10.5 you might encounter some problems such as:

    1) You cannot rebuild FileVaults or disk images.

    2) In step 9 (comparing directories) of a rebuild, the progress bar might get to 100% even though the comparison step is not finished and will continue to execute.

    3) When performing Check All Files and Folders the progress bar might get to 100% even though the check is not finished and will continue to execute.

    4) After rebuilding a disk, DiskWarrior may report that some files or folders have had their permissions changed. This is inaccurate and the permissions have not been changed.

    To repeat, an updated version of DiskWarrior that has complete Leopard compatibility will be released soon as a free download for existing owners of DiskWarrior 4.0.

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    Would you reccomend getting a new laptop with Tiger loaded on it and a copy of Leopard new in the box or would you just buy trhe laptop with Leopard pre-installed?

    Thoughts please-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbv
    Would you reccomend getting a new laptop with Tiger loaded on it and a copy of Leopard new in the box or would you just buy trhe laptop with Leopard pre-installed?

    Thoughts please-
    won't make any difference at all on a new machine.

    the install is super easy should you choose to do the upgrade yourself.

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    I did an Upgrade to Leopard on a Macbook Pro and like Wise got the BSOD after a few hours of backup and install.

    Had to spend another 3-4 hours reformatting and then doing a NEW Leoopard install ...

    Certainly not the easy as usual APPLE software install.

    Is APPLE ignoring their customers because they can and still make LARGE profits and Stevie even more wealthy?

    Is APPLE gettiing too lazy?

    Is APPLE getting too fat ... too fast?

    Has the new APPLE become the old Microsoft in the disdain it has for customers?

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    I agree. I think that Apple should get a black-eye for Leopard's problems.

    In older days, I don't think that they would have allowed the BSOD to occur in a new system installation and would have issued a recall of the DVDs. All they would have to do is a single line in the installation script to check for and ask if they can remove the offending file. Instead, in true Microsoft style (that is really an insult to mac addicts), Apple not only allowed this stupid error to occur but did not issue a recall of the DVDs and probably wasted millions of hours of user time. Microsoft didn't care. Apple should have cared enough to issue a recall and replacement for all the DVDs that were purchased.

    I am disappointed in number of programs that still don't work with Leopard and the huge number of programs that I had to upgrade in order to work with Leopard. This means that they made a number of changes in the system that were simply not backward compatible with many existing programs. They could have left some legacy code to work around these problems.

    Some of the changes seem gratuitous. For example, was it really necessary to remove System OS/9 support? With just a little of work, they might have allowed that to remain and be the first and only computer operating system that maintained continuity of function with the earliest program. It would not have cost them that much to do this.

    The implementation of Leopard shows an uncharacteristic callousness by Apple that is deeply disappointing. When there was deficits in previous releases, you knew that they tried hard. On Leopard, it seems that they did not try as hard for the consumers or for developers. Many developers complained that the they were not given enough time to change their programs or the opportunity to suggest changes. Maybe the success of the ipod and iphone is reaching into Apple and they are beginning to think that the users and developers owe them rather than the other way around.

    Wise.

    Quote Originally Posted by wheelchairTITAN
    I did an Upgrade to Leopard on a Macbook Pro and like Wise got the BSOD after a few hours of backup and install.

    Had to spend another 3-4 hours reformatting and then doing a NEW Leoopard install ...

    Certainly not the easy as usual APPLE software install.

    Is APPLE ignoring their customers because they can and still make LARGE profits and Stevie even more wealthy?

    Is APPLE gettiing too lazy?

    Is APPLE getting too fat ... too fast?

    Has the new APPLE become the old Microsoft in the disdain it has for customers?
    Last edited by Wise Young; 11-20-2007 at 09:07 AM.

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    Wise,

    A quick word of warning.

    I made a backup of my Leopard drive using SuperDuper and it worked like a charm... until I attempted a test. I attempted to boot off my backup firewire drive.

    The backup is no longer bootable - my MacBook just hangs on a grey screen. Perhaps your backups will boot, but I can't rely on SuperDuper for a bootable backup (the data is still backed up).

    Chris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cspanos
    Wise,

    A quick word of warning.

    I made a backup of my Leopard drive using SuperDuper and it worked like a charm... until I attempted a test. I attempted to boot off my backup firewire drive.

    The backup is no longer bootable - my MacBook just hangs on a grey screen. Perhaps your backups will boot, but I can't rely on SuperDuper for a bootable backup (the data is still backed up).

    Chris.

    Thanks. I did do a superduper backup and it made a copy, but I did not try it. I hate it with these gray screens of death (GSOD). The bluescreen tells you that the operating system has at least gotten out of the batter's box and was heading to first base. A gray screen means that it could not boot.

    I couldn't imagine how complicated superduper was to do. I thought that all they had to do was to implement some system commands to copy the boot blocks and all the files. But it turns out to be remarkably complicated as the following discussion from the programmer suggests:

    http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/
    By popular demand (and demand and demand and demand), here's a quick update on the status of SuperDuper!'s Leopard update (likely to be called 2.1.5). Sorry it's been a bit quiet here. I've been getting a lot of email, and it's hard to find the time to write posts. I'll try to update the blog with status a bit more often in the future.

    SuperDuper! is working well in our internal tests and for our external testers. Right now, we're ensuring that some of the (currently) lesser-used features of the Leopard file system are being handled properly, from both a copying and status standpoint.
    Some technical details

    The details of all these things are more than a bit obscure: the issues we deal with are things that end users should never need to think about.

    For example, Leopard allows applications to "hard link" folders, something that's never been allowed before. Time Machine relies on this capability, but it's available to any application. Proper handling of these hard linked folders is important, and has its own challenges, including how you handle the counts and sizes of files on the drive for the status display, etc.

    Not all parts of Leopard handle these new on-disk structures consistently, and as such we're working through the issues bit-by-bit, making sure we're doing things as right as we can, and in a way that won't break when (or if) -- things change in the future. Or when a new, Leopard-specific application you install starts to make more use of this stuff...
    Another obscure example

    One thing we found during testing was that users with Bluetooth keyboards were having trouble. The keyboard wasn't maintaining its pairing relationship with the system when starting up from the copy.

    This was not actually due to any kind of file or metadata copying problem (as we initially feared): everything was being copied as it should, so when we ran our various comparison/verification tools, things checked out fine. Instead, it was due to a change in the way Leopard recreates (or, in this case, no longer recreates) a standard system folder (specifically, /private/var/run), which is certainly not the first place you'd look for this kind of thing, and running down the problem (and verifying the fix) took time.

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    Thanks, Wise. I think for now I am just going avoid doing this "upgrade" until I am absolutely forced to, which may be at the time I buy my next computer. I am also very disappointed in Apple and Steve Jobs that this was so poorly done. I am telling my father the same thing. All of this would be way too much for him to do on his own, and I resent having to pay someone up install software for him and tweak it until it works.

    (KLD)

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