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    Get out of the closet for the sake of the Stem Cell Research

    I had an article in a newspaper here today, I have translated it into English – Okay, here goes…

    GET OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR THE SAKE OF THE STEM CELL RESEARCH

    What are stem cells? Thousands of cells are dying in our bodies every second. In a healthy body those cells will be replaced immediately by new cells. The cells in our body that produces all those new cells are named “stem cells”. The stem cells are origin for more specialised cells, like nerve cells (neurons) in our spinal cord and brain. In our body we have skin, blood, brain and liver cells – so-called “adult stem cells” – just to mention a few.

    Stem cells have the potential to grow into all the bodies types of cells (there are approximately 200 cell types in our body). The stem cells are also the bodies repair system. In theory the stem cells can divide infinite and replace other cells as long as a Human or an animal are alive. Blood stem cells are food examples here. When a stem cell divides each of the new cells will have the possibility to either continue to be a stem cell, or to become a cell with specialised functions like muscle cells, brain cells and so on.

    One consequence of this characteristic is that stem cells have the potential to be used in treatment of many serious illnesses like cancer, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer, HIV/AIDS, osteoporosis, spinal cord injuries. Embryonic stem cells have a huge potential here.

    Scientists and researchers need to study the stem cells down to the smallets detail to be able to learn about their characteristics and the potential. When researchers learn more about the stem cells it will also be possible to use those cells in therapies, and also to test the effects of new medications and toxins.

    I myself am a man with a spinal cord injury, and I have paid great attention to the stem cell research debate. I am preoccupied with this subject because it has been proven not only in animal studies that this medicine can cure illnesses and injuries. Thereby I am engaged in this case.

    What surprises me is the total silence from people that can have great benefits from this research. As of today there is just a handful people with illnesses and injuries which can get a better life with this research that has come forward in media and required an increased focus from our authorities and government on this research (thanks to those). If people in difficult situations themselves have problems to send e-mails to politicians and to write articles in newspapers it is Ok. On the other hand, if they are in such a good health that they are able to do this, it is not Ok. Then they will have a moral duty not only for themselves, but also for their families and other peoples in similar situations from a solidarity principle to get engaged in this research. All of us are maybe a father or a mother for a child that can have advantages from this research, likewise do we have parents – what is in the way for those grownups for not to get involved in this case? Well, we have to be fair here. This research is complicated and thereby not everybody will have the knowledge required. But, I believe (which is also possible) if more people would have studied this research a little bit more, they would have seen the importance of it.

    Most of the interest’s organisations for patients and people with illnesses and injuries as I mentioned above are also very passive in this debate. – I don’t say all of them, but many of those organisations are completely absent in the debate (it is also easy to see what is on their agenda by having a look at their websites) and all of them could have been more proactive here. Passivity doesn’t gain anybody. And with breakthroughs in this research every week throughout the world it should have been obvious for them what should have been the agenda. For me their attitude on this subject is very strange.

    In fact, the people that have been most proactive in this campaign for this very important case are scientists, researchers and doctors. During the parliament election campaigns there were several Professors in medicine that was in the media that spoke to the advantage for this research so that there could be a way for people to get a better life, and have treatments for people suffering and dying – I salute them. Some politicians have also done a good job in this field.

    Nevertheless. The ones that can have the biggest impact for having a proper research in this field of science, is us – we, ordinary people. Get out of the closet and contribute to having this done – together we are strong.

    Leif
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    Translation

    Well Lief, while you command of English is admirable, you'll never be seriously considered as a UN interpreter. In you genral thread interactions everyone understands you just fine. I certainly had nothing but fun participating in the Xmas Dinner thread and your descriptions of the salted meat dishes was good enough that you made a believer outa me; after all, what is the Xmas ham but the major traditionally accepted form of salted meat we americans put on our holiday tables.

    However, when it comes to the translated presentation of a basically scientific article, your translation falls a bit short. I 'got it' but it was rough going. Have a good day.

    Steve Schreck

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    Great Work! on the article and all together. It is a pleasure to read your posts.

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    Leif;

    Way to go!

    John
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    Stop for a moment and think guys

    Quote Originally Posted by jukespin
    Well Lief, while you command of English is admirable, you'll never be seriously considered as a UN interpreter.
    Well “Jokespin” You just missed a letter or two here (lol) I guess, and my name is Leif, not Lief (and you talks about a job in the UN ) . I just received the newspaper and translated it in a hurry. By the way I’m not a good damn scientist, I’m just a humble engineer, enjoying my life close to the North Pole – but if you like, we can discuss oil platforms etc. (lol). It is Ok, you should comment when I translate my articles from my language to another language.

    But you must be very careful here You see it’s Okay by me, I’m a grown up and has a strong spine to carry everything as I say, and this is no wining from my side. And I understand the humour in your post - which I by the way enjoy But there could be other peoples out there that want to write articles in newspapers on this issue, and comments like you just gave can be the reason they don’t dare to write!!! This regardless if they are from my country or from the US. Do you get me point? – We must be very careful when commenting ordinary people’s articles and spelling etc. and when it comes to what they do in the media. Because, as I said this can be the reason they will not write. In other discussion threads it is Ok to comment anything. But say if there are young people out there, no education what so ever that wants to write – we should encourage them – that’s why I don’t take your comment personally, but it can be dangerous to make such comments because peoples reads all the threads. That is also the reason when I see other that writes articles in favour of our case I always with out exceptions comment them as positive as possible. And as long as the message gets out to the public in our articles, the job is done (regardless if the science falls a bit short), like you said you did understand it. I don’t criticise you perosonally here, but this is something all of us should think about… am I right or am I right? By the way I corrected some misspelling in my transelation of my article. And also, I don’t want to become a translator in UN – I want to become the Boss LOL. Thanks, Leif. And, all you guys – think about this. Did we learn something here? Yes, we shall encourage people to write, and especially young peoples.

    PS. And the Xmas Dinner thread is not finished yet.
    Last edited by Leif; 11-11-2005 at 02:33 PM.

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    Leif, I agree with you.

    Thanks for all you do for this forum.

    Paolo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jukespin
    Well Lief, while you command of English is admirable, you'll never be seriously considered as a UN interpreter. In you genral thread interactions everyone understands you just fine. I certainly had nothing but fun participating in the Xmas Dinner thread and your descriptions of the salted meat dishes was good enough that you made a believer outa me; after all, what is the Xmas ham but the major traditionally accepted form of salted meat we americans put on our holiday tables.

    However, when it comes to the translated presentation of a basically scientific article, your translation falls a bit short. I 'got it' but it was rough going. Have a good day.

    Steve Schreck
    I defy you to be as proactive as Leif

    If you have nothing constructive to say, why not put a sock in it

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    Post Speech in the Time of Social Cholera

    Advocacy in the Time of Social Cholera

    Leif & Cherrylips,

    Basically, Leif, I’m in awe or your passion but do not agree with your position.

    Cherrylips, Your suggestion that if "I can't be as proactive (or positive, anyway) as Leif, I should put a sock in it" smacks of its nationalistic counterpart: “My country, love it or leave it!” It is possible to love one’s country while believing it to have entered into an era of political and social mordancy. Likewise, it is possible to participate honestly in these forums while holding the view that advocacy is extremely unlikely to prevail where pushing for funding for stem cell research is concerned. I love my country but believe the Republic is mordant in the extreme.

    The article:

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    GET OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR THE SAKE OF THE STEM CELL RESEARCH

    "
    What are stem cells? Thousands of cells are dying in our bodies every second. In a healthy body those cells will be replaced immediately by new cells. The cells in our body that produces all those new cells are named “stem cells”. The stem cells are origin for more specialised cells, like nerve cells (neurons) in our spinal cord and brain. In our body we have skin, blood, brain and liver cells – so-called “adult stem cells” – just to mention a few.

    Stem cells have the potential to grow into all the bodies types of cells (there are approximately 200 cell types in our body). The stem cells are also the bodies repair system. In theory the stem cells can divide infinite and replace other cells as long as a Human or an animal are alive. Blood stem cells are food examples here. When a stem cell divides each of the new cells will have the possibility to either continue to be a stem cell, or to become a cell with specialised functions like muscle cells, brain cells and so on.

    One consequence of this characteristic is that stem cells have the potential to be used in treatment of many serious illnesses like cancer, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer, HIV/AIDS, osteoporosis, spinal cord injuries. Embryonic stem cells have a huge potential here.

    Scientists and researchers need to study the stem cells down to the smallets detail to be able to learn about their characteristics and the potential. When researchers learn more about the stem cells it will also be possible to use those cells in therapies, and also to test the effects of new medications and toxins.

    I myself am a man with a spinal cord injury, and I have paid great attention to the stem cell research debate. I am preoccupied with this subject because it has been proven not only in animal studies that this medicine can cure illnesses and injuries. Thereby I am engaged in this case.

    What surprises me is the total silence from people that can have great benefits from this research. "


    I, on the other hand, am not in the least surprised at "the total silence from people that can have great benefits from this research." Have any of you living in the U.S. of A. watched those shameful tapes of the black representatives of those Foridians that had been disenfranchised from casting their (mostly pro Kerry) votes, by underhanded, illegal and unconstitutional mean, as one after another they were told that, as not a single senator would second their motion for investigation, they must shut up and sit down? If you have, you may have an inkling why so many people (at least in the U.S.) do not break their silence where stem cell research is concerned.

    Though you are willing to accept it or not, the U.S. gives scant priorities to health issues of any kind. Corporate America sees far more profit in the maintainace of the status quoe. Don't hold you collective breaths waiting for a cure for cancer either; every indication is that a number of such have already been supressed. If the military/industrial comples does not want it (and there's damned little they do want other than maintaining the same status quoe that has kept the fat cats getting fatter and the poor getting poorer for a half century now), it's extreamely improbable that it's going to be happen. BTW, it was Eisenhower that coined the term "military/industrial complex".

    We live in a time of Choleric futility; a time when a man with as little ethical principle as command of the English language, can rob the presidency two times running. For a thouroughly researched and enlightening perspective on the political/social times we live in, read Gore Vidals "Imperial America: Reflections on The United States of Amnesia" or just check out some of the titles on this Amazon page:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...hs/103-9298911
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    3Dsearch%26results-process%3Dbin&field-keywords=Gore+Vidal&Go.x=14&Go.y=
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    or just read what Amazon reviewers of some of these books have to say.

    From a website devoted to, among other things, Gore Vidal's books and essays:

    http://www.christinesmith.us/id33.html

    "Gore Vidal is a phenomenon. He is a master of mordent, savage, scathing, intelligent, penetrating prose; and he is one of the few genuinely sane people in the world. It is the fate of these latter to be thought perfectly mad, which is to say he will not be, as he should be, put straight into the White House without delay, to save the United States of America and thereby, coincidentally, the entire world." -A.C. Grayling, The Financial Times.

    VIDAL QUOTES: ...."It was Benjamin Franklin, I think, who said that those who prefer security to liberty deserve neither, which is my view."--

    Vidal in an interview. "Then, with the Vietnam War, we not only took the wrong road, we went straight around the bend, fighting the longest war in our history in a region where we had no strategic interest unless we were to openly declare what the management, then and now, does truly believe: the United States is the master of the earth and anyone who defies us will be napalmed or blockaded or covertly overthrown. We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense."

    -- from Vidal's essay 'How We Missed The Saturday Dance.'
    "Monotheism is the great unmentionable evil at center of our culture. I have never taken Christianity seriously. And considering the damage it has done to the United States through vicious laws, I am for curbing it. First step, tax all church/temple portfolios...(Christianity) is a religion for simple people who need to find foci for their hatred of what life has done to them in our economically rigged-for-the-rich country. The Bible makes it acceptable to hate Jews, blacks, women, fags, alcohol, gambling, shellfish."

    (interview by Brooks Peters, "Vintage Vidal", Fall 1992, Out magazine) From his book 'Imperial America - Reflections on the United States of Amnesia," Gore Vidal: "The tragedy of the United States, thus far in this century, is not the crack-up of an empire, which we never knew what to do with in the first place, but the collapse of the idea of the citizen as someone autonomous whose private life is not subject to orders from above."

    "A state forever at war, hot or cold, is easily controlled by the few; unlike a relatively free society, in which the governors are accountable to the people and to law."

    "Since the reading skills of the American people are the lowest in the First World, the general public is always prey to manipulation by television. This means if you want to demonize drugs or the Arabs or the Japanese, you do so openly in the media...The oligarchy does not care whether the citizens make themselves sick with drugs or not. What government wants is simple: total control. If this can be got by dispensing with the Bill of Rights, then that's a small price to pay."





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    Quote Originally Posted by jukespin
    However, when it comes to the translated presentation of a basically scientific article, your translation falls a bit short.
    Steve. Please explain why it falls a bit short?

    but do not agree with your position.
    And what is my position? I think this has more to do with your position. Again, explain please?


    And here is a link for a few other books you can read. Leif
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...176460-9428002



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    Since Leif is Norwegian, what does the condition of the Republic have to do with his article?

    I wish Carecure had a rule of not attacking other people's advocacy efforts. Particularly if your own are not on display. Show us your approach, jukespin, so we can critique it please?

    Leif, you did great.

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