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Thread: Are the Murderball guys sending the wrong message?

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    A message is a message regardless of what side you're on. Attention to us in the sci community is a good thing. Knowledge is power. Carl, however, does make some very valid points. My general question is: Are we better or worse off because of the attention brought by Murderball the movie and the sport? Imo, yes.


    As far as the public display, personally, I disagree with Zupan. Maybe he's convinced himself and he's trying to, and succeeding, coerce his teammates but deep down, without the paralympics and the fifteen minutes of fame of quad rugby would he rather be running down a soccer field without the spotlight or pushing his chair with it? Well, I think, as a dedicated athlete myself, the answer's pretty easy - he'd rather be running than pushing.

    We'll have to wait and see how this plays out over time. My guess is, when a cure arrives, Zupan will be just as aggressive in getting on line as he is in stating that he doesn't need help.

    I guess the real concern I have, and which is being horribly neglected, are those quads who's injuries are so high or complete thatb they are being ignored. Not every quad can play murderball - so is it equal? Murderball is great for those with some upper extremity movement but what about all the rest? (many CC members come to mind).

    A conscience to all that surrounds sci is necessary and needed. I believe that Murderball, in its own way and minus the personal opinions, is helping to bridge the gaps and garner support.

    Onward and upward.
    Last edited by Chris Chappell; 08-03-2005 at 04:56 PM.

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    the evaluating point sys goes down to .5. i have played against some guys who didnt move real well. quads from c4 down can play.
    myself for instance inc c4/5, im a strong full back type, i open up the holes for our ball handlers, why because im big and strong, but have only average speed and weak hands.,
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    Thumbs up

    I think those dudes are great. much respect. have you seen the jackass with them...funny as hell...any body want to play blackeye contest contact me

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    I saw the movie and I think they are not so black/white in saying the don't need help. They do express frustration when people ask/say dumb things to them, without thinking. Like helping you get back home from grocery shopping. As one of the guys said " I wouldn't have come out shopping if I couldn't get home again". That is a big difference between merely refusing help.

    And if it get the public to think about what disabled people can do, rather than react without reflection what they cannot do, I think that it a good thing.

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    Sure they may be saying life in a chair is great, but at least theyre not being like other movies saying life isnt worth it anymore kill me now. Theyre showing we can do stuff on our own and enjoy it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pash8605
    Sure they may be saying life in a chair is great, but at least theyre not being like other movies saying life isnt worth it anymore kill me now. Theyre showing we can do stuff on our own and enjoy it too.
    Nice! We had 2 threads,god knows how many pages long condmening 'Million Dollar baby'' because of the ''life isnt worth living anymore kill me now'' message it sent and now its ''Murderball'' and the guys because there sayin life is worth living,and they wouldnt change a thing..Seems like a mighty fine balancing point were lookin for here dont it..

  7. #17

    Smile

    I know a several AB people including a few of my PCA's who are miserable with their lives. You name it, they complain about everything to me. Without doubt, I would never want trade lives with them...Even though I'm a quad, I'm very happy with my life. I know I can't trade with an AB so I've made the best of the past 20 years. I hope that there is a cure someday, but in the meantime I'm taking everything in stride and I'm enjoying life.

    These guy got the opportunity to do more since their accidents probably more than they ever would have before...Because of their involvement in quad rugby, traveling the world and winning gold in the Paralympics. Not many people can say that. These are a group of guys who are going out and doing something productive and speaking their mind.

    As far as sending the wrong message, I think that being competitive as they are in a perceived frail state of being a quad breaks a lot of stereotypes, which in my view is a positive message. They’re entitled to their opinion and I give them a lot of credit and respect.

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    I heard Mark Zupan being interviewed, but haven't seen the movie yet. My take on his attitude was a little different than just him being "happy or sad" with sci. The message I got was that he was just like everybody else, but sitting down 24/7. He f**ks, fights, drinks just like a "normal" person. The only difference is he in the chair.

    Well, that's fine as long as you're cut, cute and capable. But, I think for most of us, that line ain't gonna work.

    I think he's saying, "don't lump me in with those REAL crips"

    I don't blame him. Its human nature to do everything possible to be make a good impression. It reminded me how different sci's can be. It also reminded me how ridiculous it is for me to think that anyone will see me as "normal". I get really tired of being stared at.

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    Nobody rants about Larry Flynt. Hell, he even ran for governor of California in 2003 and came in 7th place. Any outcry about his effects on the SCI image? Hardly a peep. Cure advocate? Lol. Bel Air-rich and successful? You bet.
    "So I have stayed as I am, without regret, seperated from the normal human condition." Guy Sajer

  10. #20
    well...i finally saw the movie today....and i truly enjoyed it i left the theatre wanting to see more about these guys.....

    the vibes given off during the interviews i commented on earlier (the whole, best thing ever to happen to me, wouldnt change a thing).....were not the vibes you got from the movie.....on the interviews, it was almost like they were grateful for their injury, as if it really helped their life....not the case, these guys are simply doing what the rest of us are, enjoying life, and making the most of what you've got....

    i still believe they have the oppurtunity to be huge advocates for sci research though....

    everyone go see murderball!


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