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Thread: Dr. Sarno and the psychological origin of pain

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    Metro,

    Wow, that is interesting. I forgot to tell you all that you must buy my book before reading this post. After all, it is a tribute to my ideas. Dr. Mindbody seems to want to bring the world around to his way of thinking. If only Nature had anticipated him when it designed the way humans would operate, so it could have accomodated to his views, instead of the way Nature actually set up pain.

    There is an interesting part in "All Quiet on the Western Front" Chapter 3, on power. If you give someone power, they use it. If you control a needed resource, people will endure degredation to obtain it. A sad commentary on human nature is that we exercise power if we have it. An old professor said it this way. "Make the average person chairman of a group of three over anything, and they will immediately begin to act like Genghis Khan."

    Dr. Mindbody has some problems. Overburdening himself with the pain literature is not one of them.

    [This message was edited by dejerine on 08-15-04 at 02:40 PM.]

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    Dr. Wise,
    You are so correct.
    Pain is a symptom of something being wrong.

    And if a vet tries to tell a dog it's all in his head..well he will straighten him out pronto.

    That vet will be crying and trying to get the dogs mouth released from whatever body part it has gripped onto.

    Maybe we need to learn a lesson from them..if a doctor says it's all in your head. BITE THEM.

    Help is on the way.

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    Douse the idiot with gasoline, light it, and tell him he doesn't feel a thing.

    Alan

    "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

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    Originally posted by alan:

    Douse the idiot with gasoline, light it, and tell him he doesn't feel a thing.
    Alan
    and than have him read dejerines book!

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    It is really sad that there is so little science in pain therapy. The pain field has been too long dominated by psychiatrists who have a propensity to fancify the brain and mind with little or no understanding of neurophysiology. I believe that it is time for the chronic neuropathic pain community to demand that they have scientists and clinicians who specialize in this condition.

    Wise.
    Bravo... now if I could only get the funding groups to understand this point.

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    When the time finally comes that the pains drive me to kill myself (which is only a matter of time, and I'll figure out a way), perhaps I should be sure to send this "doctor" a simple note that says: May you feel what I felt for the rest of your life, and may you live a long time.

    Alan

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    Originally posted by alan:

    When the time finally comes that the pains drive me to kill myself (which is only a matter of time, and I'll figure out a way), perhaps I should be sure to send this "doctor" a simple note that says: May you feel what I felt for the rest of your life, and may you live a long time.

    Alan

    "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

    For what it's worth we love you Alan.
    Science has to find something new to try soon. Something that works. I pray it comes soon for you.

    Help is on the way.

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    It's nice to be loved.

    I've got my social worker trying to find some specialists who'll come see me, but even if she succeeds, what would they be able to do for me that all the pain doctors and neurosurgeons I've seen previously haven't? Nothing new has been discovered for central pain, literature says CP continually worsening and spreading isn't unusual, and, even if I actually had a syrinx, collapsing it likely would, at best, only stop further intensification. I'm already totally disabled by the pains - what good would merely stabilizing it do? None. I'm suffering 24/7 as it is.

    I'm more depressed than I've ever been since the injury, I'm depressing my poor mother, and for what? Because I was too stupid to let myself drown 23 years ago? Because doctors wasted most of the 20th century ignoring seeking a cure for SCI, since "the spinal cord can't regenerate?" Because my rehab and Shock Trauma clinic doctors said "you can't have pain where you can't feel," so they never tried to relieve it? It certainly isn't because there's some divine reason for this torture.

    At least I can let off some steam here. I'm just sorry other people with post-SCI pain read my posts, and that the same pattern could happen to them if a treatment isn't found. Like quadriplegia isn't enough for us?

    Alan

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    allan,
    i hope they come up with something to help you,
    i cant imaine living with that torture.
    hopefully there will be a new med that will help

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    Dear Alan,

    Your posts always say so much. I wish I had the gift of writing you have but I don't want to pay the price.

    I am the last person on earth to listen to, as I cannot help myself. However, you might consider the following:

    1) It is rare for CP to continually progrsss once it gets set. I wonder if some doc would like to comment on why you are getting worse. I wonder about some mechanical thing, just as you have already said here.


    2) each vertebral body fits to the one above at the disc. There is also an area behind this where the spine steadies itself, called the facet joint. There is one on either side of the midline. To know if you have facet joint syndrome, I believe this joint can only be studied on CT, although I could easily be wrong. An article at pubmed claims to have found Substance P in the facet joint. This indicates that apparently either type of pain (normal pain or nerve injury) can occur in the facet joint. There is a lot of quack information about facet joint syndrome, like pback pain in general, so watch out. I mention this because it might be one thing you can ask any visiting docs about if they come see you.

    3) As for neuropathic pain, I have found only sedation really does any good, and then not very much.

    This speaks only for me. I have the stunning shocks, but I have mentally learned to regard those as intermittent, and let them pass. It is the burning that really is difficult because it never lets up.

    Some of the side effects you mention make finding the best drug tough, but you could also ask your visiting docs to inquire with whomever to come up with something that helps. I am sure you already plan to do this.

    This may all be futile and I don't mean to act like I know anything, but I have had burning CP long enough to want to pass on anything good I have been told.

    Most of all you need some distraction. Even your body should be able to produce endorphins and the like if you can find something to promote them.

    As you describe it, the angle of your spine makes any sort of going out impossible. I don't know how you can feel better if you never have distractions, and maybe a trip outside each day to look forward to. Intewllectual distractions only go so far. You need some physical distractions as well. Your social worker should consider that too. I don't care if they have to take you outside floating in some solution, like heavy mineral salts in suspension, sunshine and fresh air tends to make us feel better.

    Maybe a periodic visit from a singing group from some organization like a church or school who will overlook your lack of a shirt would be helpful, or something like that. Maybe the county librarian could rotate videos to your house.

    Most of all maybe some better cushioning or support for your back, or a suitable recliner or bed can be found. I know you had no lcuk with foam, but maybe the social worker can find something if you keep trying.

    I know nothing about these things, but hope somehow the right people will be found for you. Please try and stay short of harming yourself. You tell the truth here, and that is not easy. You are not obligated to follow any of these shots in the dark. I say them mainly to let you know I care.
    Best wishes.

    [This message was edited by dejerine on 08-18-04 at 11:58 AM.]

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