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    Ginny. Laserpuncture 1

    See the difference in my Laserpuncture 1 and Laserpuncture 2 testimony since starting treatment in June, 2001

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    laserpuncture

    See the difference in my Laserpuncture 1 and Laserpuncture 2 testimony since starting treatment in June, 2001
    where are you getting it done

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    Laserpuncture Reply

    Dear Carecure User

    I have been ill for months, then my computer broke down and we just got it back a few days ago.

    In reply to my Laserpuncture testimonies, you can contact the clinic on albert@laserponcture.net

    I have had some amazing results from having my treatment at the clinic over the several years that I have been going. It's not a miracle cure as I said in my testimonies on the Carecure Forum, but over time you do see the results.

    Just check out out my testimonies under Ginny Haymond

    Best wishes

    Ginny

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    Dont miss an oportunity for recovery; Dr Bohbot in France CAN help you with his Laserpuncture treatment. Go for it, what else have you got to lose?

    Ginny

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginny_richard
    Dont miss an oportunity for recovery; Dr Bohbot in France CAN help you with his Laserpuncture treatment. Go for it, what else have you got to lose?

    Ginny
    is there a website

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    I'm really glad that you are having good results with laserpuncture. I have seen some dramatic results in my patients using acupuncture, but haven't used the laser, as in my experience, the needling works well and I haven't had any needle-phobic SCI patients so far.

    I think my most dramatic results were with my brother, who was a complete C-7 quad when I started working with him six months post-injury. After the first treatment, he had finger mobility and sensation (but not strength, obviously, after six months of not using his hands!), and sensation into his trunk. After only ten days, he had trunk stability and sensation down into his legs and feet. It usually takes a little longer than that, LOL!

    I find it odd that this practitioner is using a set protocol of only ten points - when I work with patients, we use points related specifically to the patients symptoms (i.e., spasticity, neuropathic pain, numbness, loss of motor function), level of injury, and the specific areas most affected.

    It is always interesting to me to see the techniques other practitioners are using to help people with SCI. I'm not in France, I'm in Florida, working in private practice and as a Clinical Supervisor at the Dragon Rises College of Oriental Medicine, so I get to different seminars than the folks in France do, and learn different approaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aculady
    I'm really glad that you are having good results with laserpuncture. I have seen some dramatic results in my patients using acupuncture, but haven't used the laser, as in my experience, the needling works well and I haven't had any needle-phobic SCI patients so far.

    I think my most dramatic results were with my brother, who was a complete C-7 quad when I started working with him six months post-injury. After the first treatment, he had finger mobility and sensation (but not strength, obviously, after six months of not using his hands!), and sensation into his trunk. After only ten days, he had trunk stability and sensation down into his legs and feet. It usually takes a little longer than that, LOL!

    I find it odd that this practitioner is using a set protocol of only ten points - when I work with patients, we use points related specifically to the patients symptoms (i.e., spasticity, neuropathic pain, numbness, loss of motor function), level of injury, and the specific areas most affected.

    It is always interesting to me to see the techniques other practitioners are using to help people with SCI. I'm not in France, I'm in Florida, working in private practice and as a Clinical Supervisor at the Dragon Rises College of Oriental Medicine, so I get to different seminars than the folks in France do, and learn different approaches.
    hi
    i am c4-5 complete and i have specialist (acupuncture) who treat me for 4 months now , 3 time per week but nothing results . what is the points that you use?i can ask her to tell me what she use and i'll tell you .

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    petros5a,

    What I am going to post here will very likely make more sense to your acupuncturist than it will to you, so you should probably print it out or give a link to this post. I would also be happy to correspond or consult with your practitioner if this is not enough of a guide.

    My approach to SCI is fairly straight forward: points to extinguish Wind and resolve Phlegm, such as Liv 3, LI 4, Du 14,20, GB 20,St 40; local points (back-shu, Du, jiaji, etc.) at, above, and just below the level of injury; Extraordinary Vessel master points for Du, Ren, and Yin Qiao Mai and Yang Qiao Mai, as well as relevant points on these meridians; points along the Yang Ming meridians (based on the principle of treating the Yang Ming for atrophy syndromes); points to return Yang, such as GB 30 and K1; points to nourish marrow, particularly GB 39 and LI16; points on the Tai Yang meridians, based on Shen and Hammer's work indicating the relationship of the Tai Yang and nervous system. BL 13 and 42 should definitely be two of these Tai Yang points, as the Po is closely tied to sensory perception. These points are combined with scalp acupuncture over the motor cortex, sensory cortex, and tremor suppressor cortex as needed, and ear acupuncture for the level of injury, plus Kidney, Liver, and Sympathetic. Treating the ear Sympathetic point as the first point seems to decrease the risk of AD during the treatment.

    I hope this is helpful. I know that it sounds like a lot, but if you test both movement and sensation immediately pre-treatment and then immediately after needling, I think you may see some results, and they will likely be progressive, particularly if you practice diligently once the connection is working even slightly. Even a tiny improvement or response is cause for great rejoicing, because it gives you a place to build and is an indication that active neural connection is present. Don't test movement against gravity unless you already have movement in the region because you will NOT have strength at first, and you are looking for any evidence of nerve communication, not power. Your acupuncturist should not be afraid to use proper needling depth on the Yang Ming channel points like St 36, 40, 38, and 39, and LI 11 and 4. Superficial stimulation of these points is probably NOT going to get you the results you want.

    Herbal medicine to support Jing, extinguish Wind, move Blood, and resolve Phlegm is also indicated. All of the so-called "hair blackening" herbs, like He Shou Wu, help support stem cell function, and are a very useful adjunct to acupuncture. A combination of Dang Gui and Huang Qi is helpful for healing pressure ulcers. Tian Ma Gou Teng Yin is a nice formula that often reduces spasticity while helping with CNS repair. It has been traditionally used to enhance recovery from stroke, but I have used it to good effect with SCI as well.

    Let me know if this information helps.

    Take care.
    Last edited by aculady; 08-13-2008 at 02:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aculady
    petros5a,

    What I am going to post here will very likely make more sense to your acupuncturist than it will to you, so you should probably print it out or give a link to this post. I would also be happy to correspond or consult with your practitioner if this is not enough of a guide.

    My approach to SCI is fairly straight forward: points to extinguish Wind and resolve Phlegm, such as Liv 3, LI 4, Du 14,20, GB 20,St 40; local points (back-shu, Du, jiaji, etc.) at, above, and just below the level of injury; Extraordinary Vessel master points for Du, Ren, and Yin Qiao Mai and Yang Qiao Mai, as well as relevant points on these meridians; points along the Yang Ming meridians (based on the principle of treating the Yang Ming for atrophy syndromes); points to return Yang, such as GB 30 and K1; points to nourish marrow, particularly GB 39 and LI16; points on the Tai Yang meridians, based on Shen and Hammer's work indicating the relationship of the Tai Yang and nervous system. BL 13 and 42 should definitely be two of these Tai Yang points, as the Po is closely tied to sensory perception. These points are combined with scalp acupuncture over the motor cortex, sensory cortex, and tremor suppressor cortex as needed, and ear acupuncture for the level of injury, plus Kidney, Liver, and Sympathetic. Treating the ear Sympathetic point as the first point seems to decrease the risk of AD during the treatment.

    I hope this is helpful. I know that it sounds like a lot, but if you test both movement and sensation immediately pre-treatment and then immediately after needling, I think you may see some results, and they will likely be progressive, particularly if you practice diligently once the connection is working even slightly. Even a tiny improvement or response is cause for great rejoicing, because it gives you a place to build and is an indication that active neural connection is present. Don't test movement against gravity unless you already have movement in the region because you will NOT have strength at first, and you are looking for any evidence of nerve communication, not power. Your acupuncturist should not be afraid to use proper needling depth on the Yang Ming channel points like St 36, 40, 38, and 39, and LI 11 and 4. Superficial stimulation of these points is probably NOT going to get you the results you want.

    Herbal medicine to support Jing, extinguish Wind, move Blood, and resolve Phlegm is also indicated. All of the so-called "hair blackening" herbs, like He Shou Wu, help support stem cell function, and are a very useful adjunct to acupuncture. A combination of Dang Gui and Huang Qi is helpful for healing pressure ulcers. Tian Ma Gou Teng Yin is a nice formula that often reduces spasticity while helping with CNS repair. It has been traditionally used to enhance recovery from stroke, but I have used it to good effect with SCI as well.

    Let me know if this information helps.

    Take care.
    thank you .

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