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    Read story FIRST...then look at the amazing photo

    Read story FIRST...then look at the amazing photo
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    >Read story first...
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    >A picture began circulating in November. It should be "The Picture of the
    >Year," or perhaps, "Picture of the Decade." It won't be. In fact, unless
    >you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably will
    >never see it. The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel
    >Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by a surgeon named Joseph
    >Bruner.
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    >The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed
    >from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an
    >obstetrics nurse in Atlanta. She knew of Dr. Bruner's remarkable surgical
    >procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in
    >Nashville,he performs these special operations while the baby is still in
    >the womb.During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section
    >and makes a small incision to operate on the baby.
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    >As Dr. Bruner completed the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy
    >reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and firmly
    >grasped the surgeon's finger. In a Time Europe article highlighting new
    >pregnanacy imagery that show the formation of major organs and other
    >significant evidence of the formation of human life but a few days after
    >conception, Dr. Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was
    >grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an
    >instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile.
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    >The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity. The
    >editors titled the picture "Hand of Hope." The text explaining the
    >picture begins, "The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas
    >emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the fingerof Dr. Joseph Bruner as
    >if thanking the doctor for the gift of life."
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    >Little Samuel's mother said they "wept for days" when they saw the
    >picture. She said, "The photo reminds us my pregnancy isn't about
    >disability or an illness, it's about a little person." Samuel was born in
    >perfect health, the operation 100 per cent successful. Now see the actual
    >picture, and it is awesome...incredible. And hey, pass it on. The world
    >needs to see this one!

    [This message was edited by Max on 05-05-03 at 12:35 AM.]

    [This message was edited by Max on 05-06-03 at 09:02 AM.]

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    Max,
    This is one of the most amazing, if not the
    most amazing thing I've ever seen in my
    50+ years. And such an innovation for treatment in spina bifida.
    Thanks for sharing
    Lindox

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    Indeed. Quite stunning!

    "So I have stayed as I am, without regret, seperated from the normal human condition." Guy Sajer

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    Whoa! That's intense.

    What a moment.

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    Shoooooooooooooot

    I became a victim of urban legend, probably created by antiabortionist

    I got this message from trusting friend.

    I apologize


    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/thehand.htm

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    Max,

    I read through the article as well as the comments on Snopes about the picture. The picture is not "urban legend" although the claim that there was a coverup of the picture appears to be false. The accompanying article should have stated that the surgeon arranged the hand to "grasp" his finger. In any case, I feel that it is important that people who are looking at this article should know that:
    <UL TYPE=SQUARE>1. This picture was published four years ago, in 1999, by Time Magazine, US Today, and the Irish Independent and that there was no coverup of this picture.
    2. The 21-week old fetal hand was apparently arranged by the surgeon to appear as it is grasping the surgeon's finger, instead, as claimed by the article, coming out of its own volition to grasp the finger.
    3. The picture was indeed taken during surgery to correct spina bifida.[/list]
    Wise.

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    Wise,
    Well sensationalism sells..
    Was the surgeon able to correct the problem?
    Was it 100% at delivery as stated in the
    article?
    This afterall is the most important part.
    Thanks.
    Lindox
    Originally posted by Wise Young:


    Max,


    I read through the article as well as the comments on Snopes about the picture. The
    picture is not "urban legend" although the claim that there was a coverup of the picture appears to be false. The accompanying article should have stated that the surgeon arranged the hand to "grasp" his finger. In any case, I feel that it is important that people who are looking at this article should know that:
    1. This picture was published four years ago, in 1999, by Time Magazine, US Today, and the Irish Independent and that there was no coverup of this picture.
    2. The 21-week old fetal hand was apparently arranged by the surgeon to appear as it is grasping the surgeon's finger, instead, as claimed by the article, coming out of its own volition to grasp the finger.
    3. The picture was indeed taken during surgery to correct spina bifida.

    Wise.

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    Thanks Wise

    I feel much better after your comment

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    Lindox, the surgery to correct spina bifida has been reasonably successful in preventing the open form of the condition (which is very bad because the spinal roots get confused and don't grow out properly resulting in gross mis- or non-innervation of the limbs). They basically stitch together the opening, allowing the spinal cord to develop more normally. In my opinion, fetal surgery is one of the miracles of modern medicine. Of course the results of the surgery depend on the condition and the surgeon. I don't know whether the surgery was 100% successful in this case but it should have helped.

    The fetus, even at 21 weeks, has formed limbs and parts, including hands. The picture is a graphic reminder of this. Unfortunately, the abortion debate is dominated by extreme positions that are irrational. Some who are pro-life have taken the stance that abortions should not be done even when the mother's life is in danger. Some who are pro-choice have taken the stance the fetus is not human until it is born. In my opinion, both of these extreme positions are wrong. While I believe that fetus is human, the notion that the fetus should live at the expense of the mother's life is not acceptable. Some people oppose an abortion even when it is clear that both the mother and child would die. The choice is not and should not be easy but there are times when it must be made.

    Wise.

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    Wise,
    Thanks. It seems extremism is always a double-sided sword. As most everything is.
    Pro-life I think should learn to include those already living. And Pro-choice will always exist, as it did before any legalization of abortion. It isn't just going
    to go away. Why should we waste the by-products of this action?
    I would think even the most devoted parents
    that would do anything for their offspring,
    would realize that throwing the aborted fetuses into the trash heap of humanity is
    not the answer. Even a natural miscarriage.
    Could this material offer help for the living?
    If the pro-lifers had a relative with one of
    "Destiny's Lottery" type diseases or injuries, would they not want anything science might have to offer to help discover
    a cure, or at least treatment?
    Why does everything have to be so political?
    Lindox


    Originally posted by Wise Young:

    Lindox, the surgery to correct spina bifida has been reasonably successful in preventing the open form of the condition (which is very bad because the spinal roots get confused and don't grow out properly resulting in gross mis- or non-innervation of the limbs). They basically stitch together the opening, allowing the spinal cord to develop more normally. In my opinion, fetal surgery is one of the miracles of modern medicine. Of course the results of the surgery depend on the condition and the surgeon. I don't know whether the surgery was 100% successful in this case but it should have helped.

    The fetus, even at 21 weeks, has formed limbs and parts, including hands. The picture is a graphic reminder of this. Unfortunately, the abortion debate is dominated by extreme positions that are irrational. Some who are pro-life have taken the stance that abortions should not be done even when the mother's life is in danger. Some who are pro-choice have taken the stance the fetus is not human until it is born. In my opinion, both of these extreme positions are wrong. While I believe that fetus is human, the notion that the fetus should live at the expense of the mother's life is not acceptable. Some people oppose an abortion even when it is clear that both the mother and child would die. The choice is not and should not be easy but there are times when it must be made.

    Wise.

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