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    Senior Member Max's Avatar
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    Correction : after Bush started action against Iraq our dollar jumped to highest of 67cents US

    And according to recent polls majority of Quebecers changed their minds-we decided to stay , at least for now

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    Wait a minute, I thought Canada was a county in northern Michigan?

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    Senior Member Jeff's Avatar
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    LOL, Max!

    And LOL, Carl!

    I spent summers canoeing in Algonquin Park in Canada. We also used to go there frequently for the benefits of St. Catherine's St in Montreal. And it was always nice to get to practice my more ways than one.

    Candaians who know better will always apologize for their wayward comments toward the US. Even if it hurts them to do so. Canada couldn't defend itself against a ten year old with a BB gun. They need us. We need them like a hole in the head.

    ~See you at the SCIWire-used-to-be-paralyzed Reunion ~

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    St. Catherine's street is a lot of fun indeed. And Algonquin Park is quite beautiful.

    Jeff, I know you're angry right now but why do you say you need us like a "hole in the head"? We disagree with your current administration. So does most of the rest of the world. Canada has been and will continue to be a very faithful ally & friend and by far your largest trading partner which benefits both of us.

    We're secular and pacificists but we share a lot of ideas, values & lifestyles with you guys. That doesn't make us your enemy.

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    We're sorry about our beer, too.

    If I wasn't laughing, I'd be sorry about your attitude. But you made me laugh, so I'll let it slide. If I can dish it out to the French, I'd better be able to take it as well.

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    Senior Member DA's Avatar
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    yeaaaaaaaaaah, and next time we will hang that leaf sideways.

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    Senior Member Jeff's Avatar
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    Sorry, MK. All the anti-American sentiment will breed an atmosphere of dislike between our nations. Canada can't throw stones at GWB without also taking a shot at all of us who support him. And the list of Americans who support him is rather long. Even that commie Dennis Miller supports him on the Iraq issue. It's quite a broad slice of Americans who do. After the war proves itself to have been so worthwhile the number of supporters will be even greater.

    Anyway, a preferred route of terrorists going to the US is through Canada. And we have to pay more for our prescriptions in the US so Canadians can get their's cheaper. If it wasn't for all the good SCI research going on up there these things would probably bother me more. But, Canada is all-in-all a really good neighbor and my list of complaints is pretty short. Hopefully, we can get past our differences this year and look forward to better times ahead.

    ~See you at the SCIWire-used-to-be-paralyzed Reunion ~

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    Senior Member DA's Avatar
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    canadians live in igloo's.

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    Alistair Cooke..
    I promised to lay off topic A - Iraq - until the Security Council makes
    a judgment on the inspectors' report and I shall keep that

    But I must tell you that throughout the past fortnight I've listened
    to everybody involved in or looking on to a monotonous din of
    words, like a tide crashing and receding on a beach - making a great
    noise and saying the same thing over and over. And this
    ordeal triggered a nightmare - a day-mare, if you like.

    Through the ceaseless tide I heard a voice, a very English voice of an
    old man - Prime Minister Chamberlain saying: "I believe it
    is peace for our time" - a sentence that prompted a huge cheer, first
    from a listening street crowd and then from the House of
    Commons and next day from every newspaper in the land. There was a move
    to urge that Mr Chamberlain should receive the
    Nobel Peace Prize.

    In Parliament there was one unfamiliar old grumbler to growl out: "I
    believe we have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat." He
    was, in view of the general sentiment, very properly booed down.

    This scene concluded in the autumn of 1938 the British prime minister's
    effectual signing away of most of Czechoslovakia to Hitler.
    The rest of it, within months, Hitler walked in and conquered. "Oh
    dear," said Mr Chamberlain, thunderstruck. "He has betrayed my

    During the last fortnight a simple but startling thought occurred to me
    --every single official, diplomat, president, prime minister
    involved in the Iraq debate was in 1938 a toddler, most of them unborn.
    So the dreadful scene I've just drawn will not have been
    remembered by most listeners.

    Hitler had started betraying our trust not 12 years but only two years
    before, when he broke the First World War peace treaty by
    occupying the demilitarized zone of the Rhineland. Only half his troops
    carried one reload of ammunition because Hitler knew that
    French morale was too low to confront any war just then and 10 million
    of 11 million British voters had signed a so-called peace
    ballot. It stated no conditions, elaborated no terms, it simply counted
    the numbers of Britons who were "for peace".

    The slogan of this movement was "Against war and fascism" - chanted at
    the time by every Labour man and Liberal and many
    moderate Conservatives - a slogan that now sounds as imbecilic as
    "against hospitals and disease". In blunter words a majority of
    Britons would do anything, absolutely anything, to get rid of Hitler
    except fight him.

    At that time the word pre-emptive had not been invented, though today
    it's a catchword. After all the Rhineland was what it said it
    was - part of Germany. So to march in and throw Hitler out would have
    been pre-emptive - wouldn't it?

    Nobody did anything and Hitler looked forward with confidence to
    gobbling up the rest of Western Europe country by country -
    "course by course", as growler Churchill put it.

    I bring up Munich and the mid-30s because I was fully grown, on the
    verge of 30, and knew we were indeed living in the age of
    anxiety. And so many of the arguments mounted against each other today,
    in the last fortnight, are exactly what we heard in the
    House of Commons debates and read in the French press.

    The French especially urged, after every Hitler invasion, "negotiation,
    negotiation". They negotiated so successfully as to have
    their whole country defeated and occupied. But as one famous French
    leftist said: "We did anyway manage to make them declare
    Paris an open city - no bombs on us!"

    In Britain the general response to every Hitler advance was disarmament
    and collective security. Collective security meant to leave
    every crisis to the League of Nations. It would put down aggressors,
    even though, like the United Nations, it had no army, navy or
    air force. The League of Nations had its chance to prove itself when
    Mussolini invaded and conquered Ethiopia (Abyssinia). The
    League didn't have any shot to fire. But still the cry was chanted in
    the House of Commons - the League and collective security is
    the only true guarantee of peace.

    But after the Rhineland the maverick Churchill decided there was no
    collectivity in collective security and started a highly unpopular
    campaign for rearmament by Britain, warning against the general belief
    that Hitler had already built an enormous mechanized
    army and superior air force.
    But he's not used them, he's not used them - people protested.

    Still for two years before the outbreak of the Second War you could read
    the debates in the House of Commons and now shiver at
    the famous Labour men -Major Clement Attlee was one of them - who voted
    against rearmament and still went on pointing to the
    League of Nations as the savior.

    Now, this memory of mine may be totally irrelevant to the present
    crisis. It haunts me. I have to say I have written elsewhere with
    much conviction that most historical analogies are false because,
    however strikingly similar a new situation may be to an old one,
    there's usually one element that is different and it turns out to be the
    crucial one. It may well be so here.

    All I know is that all the voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003...


    Not bad for a guy who's 94 years old.

    [This message was edited by Jeff on 03-11-03 at 06:57 PM.]

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