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    Redirect the Hate

    Many people are angry about what happened in New York and Washington DC yesterday, and rightfully so. All kinds of emotions ran through me as I sat in school yesterday and learned of what happened. Anger. Sadness. Confusion.

    The terrorists and their motives are currently unknown. The most likely candidate? Hate. Hate about something perpetrated by the United States of America. Hate that transformed them from human beings into animals. Animals kill. Animals do not see their prey as other animals.

    These terrorists, and the people you saw cheering yesterday, do not see the people who died as human beings. They lump all of us together as Americans. The plain crashes did not kill people, they killed Americans. The people cheering were not cheering because little Joey was murdered. Nor did they cheer because the crash killed Michelle, who was a just rehabilitated crack-addict who was applying for a job to get her life back in order. They cheered because a lot of "Americans" died. It is called emotional detachment.

    Emotional detachment. Do you want the situation resolved? Yes, you do. I have heard people talk about bombing Afghanistan. Will it kill Osama bin Laden? Maybe, maybe not. Will a bombing kill a lot of innocent people? You better believe it. But hey, the people who will die are only Afghanistanies. No big deal, right? It doesn't matter that children will become orphans. That wives will become widows. That mothers will become childless. They are just Afghanastanies. Remember?

    Emotions ran through anyone who had a heart yesterday, and many continue today. Is hate one of them? I hope not. The people of America made me proud yesterday. They became selfless and helped complete strangers. Then they opened their mouths and forced me to lose that pride.

    People died through an act of terrorism yesterday. The people who are guilty deserve to be punished. But not at the price of innocent civilians. Redirect your anger. Redirect your hate. Redirect all of your negative emotions into something positive. Go out do something positive. Send money. Send food. Give blood. Left alone, hate grows inside of you. Left alone, hate will mutate. Left alone, hate will consume you.

    Lose the hate. Please. Then I can be proud to be an American. :-)

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    COMPASSION AND REVENGE

    by Gary Zukav

    The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are occasions of great significance. They are opportunities for you to feel inside, to find those parts of yourself that are in fear, and to make the decision to move forward in your life without fear. That is the challenge for each individual on this planet today. The pursuit of external power - the ability to manipulate and control - creates only violence and destruction. The painful events in New York and Washington are
    living examples of that reality.

    The causal chain that created this violence is one in which compassion and wisdom are absent. Are wisdom and compassion present in you as you watch the television, and read the papers? It is important to realize that you do not know all
    that came to conclusion, or into karmic balance, as a result of these events. Because you are not able to know all that can be known about them, you are not in a position to judge them.

    When you are able to look at the events of the Earth School from this perspective, you will see clearly the central importance of the role that you play in it. That role is this: It is for you to decide what you will contribute to this world.
    Many will be asking your opinion of these events. Each question is an opportunity for you to contribute to the love that is in the world or to the fear that is in the world. This is the same
    opportunity that presents itself to you at each moment.

    If you hate those who hate, you become like them. You add to the violence and the destructive energy that now fills our world. As you make the decision to see with clarity and compassion, you
    will see that those who committed these acts of violence were in extreme pain themselves, and that they were fueled by the violent parts of ourselves - the parts that judge without mercy,
    strike in anger, and rejoice in the suffering of others. They were our proxy representatives. If you can look with compassion upon those who have suffered and those who have committed acts
    of cruelty alike, then you will see that all are suffering. The remedy for suffering is not to inflict more suffering.

    This is an opportunity for a massive expression of compassion. It is also an opportunity for a massive expression of revenge. Which world do you intend to live in -- a world of revenge or a
    world of compassion?

    http://www.zukav.com/index.htm

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    I understand your post

    I think, however, we need to prepare for some civilian casualties when we retaliate and put an end to terrorism in general and Bin Laden in particular. The Afghans have been harboring him for a long time in spite of overwhelming evidence that he has sponsored the worst terrorism in the world. We are therefore not only at war with Bin Laden but also with the country of Afghanistan. Innocent people die in wars. It cannot be helped. Afghanistan should not have begun a war against the United States if they want their people to be safe.

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    me and my big mouth :-)

    Originally posted by Jeff:

    Afghanistan should not have begun a war against the United States if they want their people to be safe.
    Afghanistan did not begin a war against the US -- the terrorists did. The government of Afghanistan can control the actions of their people no better than the American government can control the actions of theirs.

    What if Bill Gates, or Rupert Murdoch(sp?), or Ted Turner were playing with big weapons while secretly plotting a terrorist attack against the UK or Japan? As long as they have the proper licenses they can own them. If it was a secret plan, nobody would know about it until the event had taken place.

    Would you want the government of the UK or Japan declaring war on the United States and bomb us for the actions of one of our nation's most powerful people and their secret group? Osama bin Ladin is a powerful -- and smart -- man in Afghanistan. The guy is at least a millionaire in a relatively impoverished country; he moves three times a week to avoid capture.

    For now, just tighten our defenses and come to an agreement with the Afghan government to find bin Laden. When he is found, he can be punished. Instead of going to war, put a bounty on his head. It would be far cheaper than deploying troops to go somewhere. That would save money and lives. I am sure one of bin Laden's lackeys would turn him in for a million or so.

    -Steven

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    The U.S. govt. has already posted a 5 million dollar reward for Osama Bin Laden, not to mention that he is the pampered son of Saudi royalty. Money isn't an issue. He is a hero to all islamic fundamentalists. It has been Bin Laden's stated purpose in life to kill any and all American's, military or otherwise because we support the govt.s of Saudi Arabia which he feels is a corrupt govt. as well as Isreal. Until we have renounced our support of either of these governments we will always be a potential target. He is supposedly responsible for the original bombing of the WTC in '93, the embassies of Tanzania, and Kenya, as well as the attack on the U.S.S. Cole. How many times must the U.S. turn the other cheek? We have asked the Afghani govt. for assistance but because they are also fundamentalist islamics(Taliban) dedicated to the downfall of Isreal and the United States, they are unwilling to cooperate. I think if one of our countries wealthy individuals did this they would be in jail faster than you could bat an eye. There is no responsible party in Afghanistan, the internationally recognized govt. of Afghanistan is a 10% minority, the Taliban has usurped control of the central govt. to push their religious ideology on the entire country. There are no right for women and very few for men. Death is a daily occurance and I'm not talking about natural death(unless firing squads, hanging, mutilation, etc are natural.) The time has come to step up and teach nations that if they expect to be international political players they must also accept the responsibility and consequences of harbouring known terrorists. However, in Bin Laden's case it goes one step further. His ideology is followed by as many as 30,000 followers. All of whom would love nothing more in life than to have been one of the 12+ terrorists who died for their beliefs. And these followers reside in countries around the globe. I agree that is would be cheaper than war to just ask for those responsible to be handed over to American justice, but if they aren't, we should storm the place. If you're not with us, you're against us. It's not optional to comply, it's maditory and the consequences will require the lives of many, militarily or otherwise

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    "For now, just tighten our defenses and come to an agreement with the Afghan government to find bin Laden. When he is found, he can be punished. Instead of going to war, put a bounty on his head. It would be far cheaper than deploying troops to go somewhere. That would save money and lives. I am sure one of bin Laden's lackeys would turn him in for a million or so."

    "Lose the hate. Please. Then I can be proud to be an American. :-)"

    Let me say something, steven. If you are not proud to be an american at this time, or at any time, then I feel sorry for you. Both of the above statements are passive at a time when such an attitude is very dangerous.

    We can't be passive when the very core of what I and millions of other americans so love and cherish, our country, our freedom, our future, and our sense of liberty and justice, is attacked from hostile forces. Ttake it from me, steve, be PROUD to be an AMERICAN, don't put conditions on how you feel.

    Putting bounties on people's heads is just plain stupid, especially in this instance. That won't solve $hit, and only drag things out for a long time, leaving room for even more terrorist attacks.

    It is time now to end terrorism as it exists today, completely and absolutely. If that means full on war, american deaths, and civilian deaths of the country(s) we might punish, SO BE IT. War is not a game, stephen. You can't place bounties on people such as this anymore, the ante has been upped to the point of the united states kicking some goddamn ass.

    If we do not stop it now, then the next time you see such pictures on tv, it will be in the aftermath of a nuclear explosion. Those terrorists who you want to put a bounty on are awful close to realizing their perverted dream of actually possessing a nuclear weapon, and a delivery vehicle. It's time to kill the bastards, all of them, for if we do not then we will never be free.

    It's us against them, stephen, good against evil, and sometimes you have to hate evil a little bit. War isn't a game. You don't seem to understand that there probably (I hope) will be NO negotiating with afghan, for the ruling party are the very people who harbor such murderous, cowardly, chicken-$hit specimens.

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    Anyone who celebrates the death and maiming of innocents deserves to be bombed themselves, just as anyone who orchestrates such killings does. Accessories after the fact, that's what the celebrating "people" are.

    Israel, which lives with this type of fear every day, has the right idea. Someone commits a terrorist act against them, they target the individuals who plan and encourage the acts.

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    Afghanastan did not start a war, that is correct. But they have harboured Bin Laden in the past and may be doing so now, when he has taken credit for terrorist acts. If Bill Gates was a terrorist, would t be forgiveable for the U.S. to harbour him? Nope. Billionaires like Bin Laden shouldn't get special treatment.

    If he orchestrated this, and it appears he did, he must be taken out along with anyone who helps him hide. Hitler would have never rose to power and orchestraed The Holocaust if the governments of the world hadn't just minded their own business, America included.

    A simple analogy is this, if a bully walked into the playground, punched your little brother then left before you could get to him, would you simply allow him to come back every day and punch your brother in the face? Of course not, but if you never did anything to stop him, that's exactly what he'd do, punch your brother over and over again, then your sister, then the other kids then you. Terrorists are just big bullies with skewed perceptions of how to get their points across, bullies with no regard for the sanctity of human life. The U.S. and its allies need to clear the playground of bullies and keep doing it until the bullies realize they'll lose in the end. Just as Pearl Harbor woke up U.S. officials to the need to get involed in WWII, it seems this incident has made officials realize the U.S. needs to join the war against terrorism too. Too bad it wasn't realized sooner.

    It's unfortunate that some innocents will likely be casualties in any retaliation, but that's war. War is always ugly, but sometimes necessary.

    What I don't get is why news organizations like Fox News and TIME can get interviews with this asshole Bin Laden, but the NSA can't track him down. Such bullshit.

    One more thing, not all support terrorism in the name Allah (God). Those who do are an evil minority. Living in New York, I have found Muslims to be some of the most friendly and gracious people I have ever met. And coming from a Southern boy, that's a helluva compliment.

    ~Rus

    "Because you're not promised tomorrow." ~ Stuck Mojo

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    I agree with GWB

    I make no distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them. I believe Afghanistan started a war with us when they began harboring our enemies who were planning us harm. By hosting terrorist training camps in their country they have directly contributed to the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans. I hope the deserved retribution is not at all hampered by anyone's wimpy politics. Only by showing them we mean business and making them pay will there be no country willing to harbor mass murderers in the future.

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    Right On Jeff

    Fully agree with you. A slap on the wrist for this type of thing simply won't cut it.

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