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    Quote Originally Posted by Galloway View Post
    six hours @ + or - $80 per hour = $480 a day, X six days = $2880 a week = $11,520 per month, for six months = $69,120
    alas I am a man of limited means
    Well in theory if you are part of the trial, the therapy you should come along with it.

    And if you are not part of the trial, at the rate things seem to be progressing, it won't be available for the next 20 or more years anyway

    Sorry not usually so pessimistic. I've only been hurt 3 years and I was fortunate to get decent return. I could not imagine the frustration of people with injuries 15 or 20 years ago constantly hoping something would be available in the next '5 years'...

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1 View Post
    What does the "most intensive walking training program ever" encompass? Besides "six hours a day, six days a week, for six months"?
    After the surgery and three days in hospital, patient will go home and recover for 2 weeks. Stitches will be removed and they will be cleared for therapy. Therapy begins at week 3, for six weeks at an outpatient rehab center. The goal of the next two weeks is to build up to standing in a standing frame for 5 hours a day. (Outpatient therapy will be 5 hours a day for 5 weeks. It's just not possible for rehab centers to do 6 hours a day, 6 days a week.) After 2 weeks of standing, the goal at the end of the next 4 weeks, is stepping, using an upper-body supporting rolling walker.

    After the 6 weeks of outpatient, patient will then attend Push To WalkNJ/Project WalkNJ/ or one of the other places for 4 months. The goal is to eventually work up to walking 5 days a week, 5 hours a day. That's why the walking program is 6 months. It takes a long time to get there.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchitsu View Post
    Well in theory if you are part of the trial, the therapy you should come along with it.

    And if you are not part of the trial, at the rate things seem to be progressing, it won't be available for the next 20 or more years anyway
    After the patients in the trial are operated on, the therapy will be available for compassionate use.
    Last edited by Jim; 09-06-2019 at 09:32 PM.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1 View Post
    One measure of success should be a reduction in need for assistive personnel and devices...
    Wouldn't that mean expecting the stem cells to do everything?

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    After the patients in the trial are operated on, the therapy will be available for compassionate use.
    Is there a waiting list started for this? I imagine there will be a big queue of people wanting to do it.

    Maybe you should start taking deposits, I'd sign up.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    After the surgery and three days in hospital, patient will go home and recover for 2 weeks. Stitches will be removed and they will be cleared for therapy. Therapy begins at week 3, for six weeks at an outpatient rehab center. The goal of the next two weeks is to build up to standing in a standing frame for 5 hours a day. (Outpatient therapy will be 5 hours a day for 5 weeks. It's just not possible for rehab centers to do 6 hours a day, 6 days a week.) After 2 weeks of standing, the goal at the end of the next 4 weeks, is stepping, using an upper-body supporting rolling walker.

    After the 6 weeks of outpatient, patient will then attend Push To WalkNJ/Project WalkNJ/ or one of the other places for 4 months. The goal is to eventually work up to walking 5 days a week, 5 hours a day. That's why the walking program is 6 months. It takes a long time to get there.





    After the patients in the trial are operated on, the therapy will be available for compassionate use.a
    Why would someone need compassionate use for therapy?
    If you have the resources to pay project walk $3,000/week I'm sure they would be more than happy to take your money for 5 hours a day of training right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niallel View Post
    Wouldn't that mean expecting the stem cells to do everything?
    It means that in an experimental setting where walking independently is the desired outcome, the need for assistive personnel and devices (and their costs) would be front loaded. And then, if successful, lessen over time.
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  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchitsu View Post
    Why would someone need compassionate use for therapy?
    If you have the resources to pay project walk $3,000/week I'm sure they would be more than happy to take your money for 5 hours a day of training right now.
    The stem cells.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1 View Post
    It means that in an experimental setting where walking independently is the desired outcome, the need for assistive personnel and devices (and their costs) would be front loaded. And then, if successful, lessen over time.
    Isn't that was is proposed? After all the rehab people will have the ability to walk on their own to keep it up.

    Or have I missed something and you'll need constant rehab forever? If thats the case then the rehab with people would be a non-starter, and then maybe something like keeogo and a walker would be something you could do yourself for the rehab.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by niallel View Post
    The stem cells.
    Yes, thank you. We are specifically referring to therapy.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchitsu View Post
    Yes, thank you. We are specifically referring to therapy.
    I think Jim was referring to the stem cells for compassionate use. Obviously you are correct rehab alone doesn't need compassionate use.

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