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    Quote Originally Posted by McDuff View Post
    I've got a '16 Sienna it is my 2nd van and have only bottomed out a few times, usually because I didn't see the bump/dip/etc in time to slow down. I have never bottomed out when going slow over speed bumps/humps or anything. My brother has a ranch in OK with gravel roads that are good and bad depending if he has refurb'ed them lately, and the van goes up the hills and over bumps with no problem.

    I have to add this; just earlier today I had this email convo with a very good friend, he was my best man at wedding, and he was asking why I didn't go for a truck(I loved my trucks prior to sci):

    (I edited out some @#$% words)
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    I tried hard to want to go for a truck instead of a minivan again, believe me. Too many "what abouts"

    Those trucks you saw are meant to be driven from your wheelchair, even though they show seats in the spot, you roll onto that platform and it lifts you up. I want out of my chair for trips, plus my chair has no head restraint so if I get rear ended, I'm @#$%. Plus you have to add a 15lb bracket on the bottom of your chair that latches your chair down.

    There are seats that swivel out and down so that you can transfer from chair to seat and go back up and in, almost like OEM seat. Problem is, then you got to do something with your chair. My chair doesn't fold so it won't fit in the cab, not like I want to haul the thing in anyway, even though some people do.

    They make remote control hoists that mount in the corner of the bed that will swivel and come down, hook your chair on and it will load it into the bed.
    Shit, now chair is out of reach, forgot to get my wallet out of it. @#$%#
    Shit, now it's raining, chairs all wet. @#$%

    There is a special cab-height bed cover, it is hinged all along the passenger side and is remote controlled to lift up out of the way, then you use the hoist to put your chair in, then you close the cover.
    Shit, forgot my wallet again. @#$%

    Systems are slow as hell.
    Now have 3 special systems by 3 different companies, seat, hoist, cover. One of them stops working, I'm @#$% and stuck, maybe halfway up in the air.
    All told, that is as expensive as minivan mods done by one company.

    And, you still get wet or can't transfer in the rain. Or it's 105 outside while you're doing all this. My van, I can hit the fob button, time it so I hit the ramp as it hits the ground, and I'm inside high and dry, with a/c blowing while I transfer from my chair to the driver seat.

    Being the old comfort loving asshole I am, the minivan won again. :-)

    Whew, you think I didn't try for a truck? :-)

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    amen to that and if your a quad forget it wish I had been as smart but luckly a para bought my truck I hve his van plus $$$ let me add 1 thing so many ways for 1 system or all to screw up

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    I'm thinking you probably don't want to drive from a wheelchair, so you will be transferring anyway. So how about this idea...Ford Transit Connect in LWB flavor. I looked at one and that would work pretty good I think for transferring into the driver seat, then pulling the entire wheelchair assembled through the side door behind the driver's seat. Just add a strap or whatnot to pull the side door closed (no auto close on those afaik). They have passenger varieties so you don't look like a plumber (or look like a plumber and get a van cheap)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuentejps View Post
    i wish i would have switched 10 yrs sooner
    i wish more of the younger people would listen to me more.

    in the past 30+ years I've seen lots of people ruin there shoulders to the point of not being able to do much of anything, never mind transfer.

    Why wear your body out with the everyday grind of getting in and out of a vehicle.

    Save your shoulders for the long run and the things you love to do.

    Ive seen way too many people ruin there shoulders and go through decades of pain, pain medication and misery.
    Jim, MA, MMET
    Bridgewater, MA

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDuff View Post
    I've got a '16 Sienna it is my 2nd van and have only bottomed out a few times, usually because I didn't see the bump/dip/etc in time to slow down. I have never bottomed out when going slow over speed bumps/humps or anything. My brother has a ranch in OK with gravel roads that are good and bad depending if he has refurb'ed them lately, and the van goes up the hills and over bumps with no problem.

    I have to add this; just earlier today I had this email convo with a very good friend, he was my best man at wedding, and he was asking why I didn't go for a truck(I loved my trucks prior to sci):

    (I edited out some @#$% words)
    ------------------------
    I tried hard to want to go for a truck instead of a minivan again, believe me. Too many "what abouts"

    Those trucks you saw are meant to be driven from your wheelchair, even though they show seats in the spot, you roll onto that platform and it lifts you up. I want out of my chair for trips, plus my chair has no head restraint so if I get rear ended, I'm @#$%. Plus you have to add a 15lb bracket on the bottom of your chair that latches your chair down.

    There are seats that swivel out and down so that you can transfer from chair to seat and go back up and in, almost like OEM seat. Problem is, then you got to do something with your chair. My chair doesn't fold so it won't fit in the cab, not like I want to haul the thing in anyway, even though some people do.

    They make remote control hoists that mount in the corner of the bed that will swivel and come down, hook your chair on and it will load it into the bed.
    Shit, now chair is out of reach, forgot to get my wallet out of it. @#$%#
    Shit, now it's raining, chairs all wet. @#$%

    There is a special cab-height bed cover, it is hinged all along the passenger side and is remote controlled to lift up out of the way, then you use the hoist to put your chair in, then you close the cover.
    Shit, forgot my wallet again. @#$%

    Systems are slow as hell.
    Now have 3 special systems by 3 different companies, seat, hoist, cover. One of them stops working, I'm @#$% and stuck, maybe halfway up in the air.
    All told, that is as expensive as minivan mods done by one company.

    And, you still get wet or can't transfer in the rain. Or it's 105 outside while you're doing all this. My van, I can hit the fob button, time it so I hit the ramp as it hits the ground, and I'm inside high and dry, with a/c blowing while I transfer from my chair to the driver seat.

    Being the old comfort loving asshole I am, the minivan won again. :-)

    Whew, you think I didn't try for a truck? :-)

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    how about a truck you use a lift to get in on the passenger side, go through the back seat and seeing as you don't want to drive from a wheelchair slide over into a transfer seat.

    also why not drive from a power wheelchair that has a seat similar or identical to a quality drivers seat?
    Jim, MA, MMET
    Bridgewater, MA

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    i guessthe bottoms of those vans are pretty resiliant as far as gettin messed upwhen bottom outaslong as you dont bounce off stuff
    to alcohol the cause of-and solution to-all of lifes problems [homer simpson]

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDuff View Post
    I've got a '16 Sienna it is my 2nd van and have only bottomed out a few times, usually because I didn't see the bump/dip/etc in time to slow down. I have never bottomed out when going slow over speed bumps/humps or anything. My brother has a ranch in OK with gravel roads that are good and bad depending if he has refurb'ed them lately, and the van goes up the hills and over bumps with no problem.

    I have to add this; just earlier today I had this email convo with a very good friend, he was my best man at wedding, and he was asking why I didn't go for a truck(I loved my trucks prior to sci):

    (I edited out some @#$% words)
    ------------------------
    I tried hard to want to go for a truck instead of a minivan again, believe me. Too many "what abouts"

    Those trucks you saw are meant to be driven from your wheelchair, even though they show seats in the spot, you roll onto that platform and it lifts you up. I want out of my chair for trips, plus my chair has no head restraint so if I get rear ended, I'm @#$%. Plus you have to add a 15lb bracket on the bottom of your chair that latches your chair down.

    There are seats that swivel out and down so that you can transfer from chair to seat and go back up and in, almost like OEM seat. Problem is, then you got to do something with your chair. My chair doesn't fold so it won't fit in the cab, not like I want to haul the thing in anyway, even though some people do.

    They make remote control hoists that mount in the corner of the bed that will swivel and come down, hook your chair on and it will load it into the bed.
    Shit, now chair is out of reach, forgot to get my wallet out of it. @#$%#
    Shit, now it's raining, chairs all wet. @#$%

    There is a special cab-height bed cover, it is hinged all along the passenger side and is remote controlled to lift up out of the way, then you use the hoist to put your chair in, then you close the cover.
    Shit, forgot my wallet again. @#$%

    Systems are slow as hell.
    Now have 3 special systems by 3 different companies, seat, hoist, cover. One of them stops working, I'm @#$% and stuck, maybe halfway up in the air.
    All told, that is as expensive as minivan mods done by one company.

    And, you still get wet or can't transfer in the rain. Or it's 105 outside while you're doing all this. My van, I can hit the fob button, time it so I hit the ramp as it hits the ground, and I'm inside high and dry, with a/c blowing while I transfer from my chair to the driver seat.

    Being the old comfort loving asshole I am, the minivan won again. :-)

    Whew, you think I didn't try for a truck? :-)

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    i always had big 4wheeldrive trucks pre sci too but agree with you on the truck now
    to alcohol the cause of-and solution to-all of lifes problems [homer simpson]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I'm thinking you probably don't want to drive from a wheelchair, so you will be transferring anyway. So how about this idea...Ford Transit Connect in LWB flavor. I looked at one and that would work pretty good I think for transferring into the driver seat, then pulling the entire wheelchair assembled through the side door behind the driver's seat. Just add a strap or whatnot to pull the side door closed (no auto close on those afaik). They have passenger varieties so you don't look like a plumber (or look like a plumber and get a van cheap)
    have you ever ridden in one?

    they remind me of a postal truck.

    if they were 1/2 the price maybe just because of the price point.

    at a price anywhere near that of a mini van, no way.

    in stead of diving one of you cars how about a yugo, a 1982 granada or ford escort.
    Jim, MA, MMET
    Bridgewater, MA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
    have you ever ridden in one?

    they remind me of a postal truck.

    if they were 1/2 the price maybe just because of the price point.

    at a price anywhere near that of a mini van, no way.

    in stead of diving one of you cars how about a yugo, a 1982 granada or ford escort.
    LOL. No, I haven't ridden in one, just sat in one and pulled the wheelchair into the back. It didn't strike me as refined, but its redeeming value was the seat height compared to other minivans. But it's euro-stylish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
    have you ever ridden in one?

    they remind me of a postal truck.

    if they were 1/2 the price maybe just because of the price point.

    at a price anywhere near that of a mini van, no way.

    in stead of diving one of you cars how about a yugo, a 1982 granada or ford escort.
    Speaking of riding like a postal truck, I rode in a Town and Country conversion as a passenger sitting in the back seat just to evaluate the ride. It was loud and rough. Couldn't even sit comfortably without having to brace myself. I think it was 5 years old. My Econoline that is 27 years old has a much smoother and quieter ride.

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    I have a van and a truck, converted with Bruno equipment, not the All Terrain conversion or the other company in Indiana. Both the van and the truck have pro's and con's.

    Pick Up

    Much nicer to drive, goes anywhere, side room required to go in and out is much less, plus there is room to carry anything. Con's, this conversion takes waay too much time to go in and out, rear seat is useable but not the greatest comfort.

    Van

    My van is an E 150 2006 with 22,000 miles though, with a braun lift. Very easy to go in and out, transfer to seat is done privately inside the van, transfer directly into one or two step sidewalk or path and in and out is much quicker and easier than my truck. On the con side, it is a clunker as it rides like a work van, rattles, and if you do not have the side room you are out of luck.

    Hope it helps.
    T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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