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    Galco isn't cheap but they're my shoulder holster of choice. I've carried an L Frame .357 with a 5" barrel in one of their vertical models without issue. I usually run their "Jackass" design, which they bought from Jackass Leather Co. a while back. It uses a reverse cant to allow a smaller front to back profile for skinnier people or slightly longer handguns. Hard to go wrong with a P226.
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    [QUOTE=funklab;1862984]I'd definitely be interested in seeing how you've got it set up.]

    I'm headed to Georgia tomorrow until next Sunday evening but I will take some pics and post when I get home. They all fit minus my Beretta Neos, which I would only throw in there with snake shot if there was concern (happened once in ten years in the back yard). But that is a much longer barrel. Doesn't matter though because you can open carry on your property in SC.

    I looked for many carry solutions and this was the best option for me. I even had a custom partition sewed into my front cushion pouch, but it wasn't a quick enough deploy to my liking so I just keep my wallet in there now.

    My P226 is also a threaded barrel so there's a tad extra on the length and it is still a comfortable carry in the Hazard 4. Years ago my instructor told me stories of when his friends carried in the lower back and at least two fell backwards, broke their backs and wound up in a chair. I don't use sideguards so it's not concealable with my body frame. I have a coworker that carries a Sig Equinox and he's so big an untucked shirt doesn't even print in the slightest.

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    Cool, I look forward to the pics.

    So far I'm leaning towards a P226, just wish it wasn't so damn expensive.

    Shot a gen 5 glock 19 today and I'm just not a fan of Glocks and their mushy triggers. It definitely doesn't feel any easier to control than the Sig and follow up shots were significantly slower for me.

    The guy at the range convinced me that I need to try their M&P 2.0 next time out, so we'll see how that goes, but I don't have high expectations for liking any striker fired gun. A couple years ago my buddy let me shoot his competition Sig P320 which had thousands of dollars of work done to it (all paid for by his sponsors), and that was probably the only decent striker fired trigger I've ever experienced. They don't have any CZ type pistols for rent at the range I joined, so I guess I'll just have to find some of those in a shop and see how well they fit my hand.

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    I tell ya, the trigger on the CZ P10-C is incredible. Breaks like a glass rod and resets incredibly short. The Walther PPQ is really good too. Other than those 2, yeah, striker fired handguns generally have triggers that feel like crap in my experience.

    (As an aside, I really don't consider the G19 (or P10-C) in the same size class as a P226. They're much smaller, more of a 'compact' carry piece than a 'full-size' handgun. Truly 'full-sized' or 'duty' pistols are more like the standard 1911, Beretta 92F, P22x, CZ-75, FNP-45T, etc. Comparing those big guns to a more compact carry piece is always gonna fall short IMO, as far as comfort and recoil management and even magazine capacity a lot of times. Smaller guns are always a bit of a compromise. I'd compare a Glock 17 more directly with a 226.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oddity View Post
    (As an aside, I really don't consider the G19 (or P10-C) in the same size class as a P226. They're much smaller, more of a 'compact' carry piece than a 'full-size' handgun. Truly 'full-sized' or 'duty' pistols are more like the standard 1911, Beretta 92F, P22x, CZ-75, FNP-45T, etc. Comparing those big guns to a more compact carry piece is always gonna fall short IMO, as far as comfort and recoil management and even magazine capacity a lot of times. Smaller guns are always a bit of a compromise. I'd compare a Glock 17 more directly with a 226.)
    This seems fair. I guess this far my collection is either big (1922, desert eagle) or small (SP 101, scandium J-frame). I’m really just looking for something big enough to get a full handed grip on with a reasonable site radius. Glock 19 was definitely big enough for what I was looking for I just didn’t really like it. But it get very similar in size to the p226.

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    I'm back in town and will try to take pics of my setup tonight. Have you looked at any HKs? I love my USP compact and also have a P30 that is comfortable and a P2000SK, the subcompact. HKs and Sigs are expensive I'll give you that. I've shot couple of Kimbers before too and like them, but they are also pricey. The XDs isn't my favorite, but the single stack and size I do like for how I carry.

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    Okay, my search for another pistol to waste money on is over.

    I got a lightly used (the guy said unfired, and there is literally no wear on the gun, so I'm inclined to believe him) Sig Sauer P226 Enhanced Elite 9mm, which is a full sized double stack SA/DA for those of you who aren't immediately familiar with it.

    So my challenge now is to conceal this big hunk of steel and aluminum alloy with an 18 round magazine somewhere on my person.

    Still looking forward to Tman's pictures of his setup, but the only place that seems reasonable for me to hide such a chunky gun is behind my cushion in the little fold made by the excess material of my slingback that velcros to the bottom of my seat pan.

    I hope to have a new chair in the next few months, so I'll wait to modify things until I can work it out on that chair, but to give you an example, this is more or less the area I am looking at stuffing the gun.

    Right now I've got a little notebook and a Kindle Paperwhite stuffed back there, so obviously they'll have to go, but you can see basically where I am looking at stuffing it.

    I'll need to make a couple modifications, including sewing some material in on the sides to conceal it, but that's not a big deal. It will be a relatively slow draw if I ever need to get to it, because I'd need to use my other hand to either pull or push myself forward a bit so my back was no longer against the backrest, but that's the price you pay for being a cripple.

    I have two big issues that I see currently.

    1) What holster can I use back here that will hold the gun in securely even when the chair is flipped around and sideways and upside down to be loaded in the car, and how would I mount said holster to the chair?

    2) I need something to conceal the gun while in the holster, but that doesn't impede the draw.
    For example, if I had it sitting right there where that notebook is in the picture above, and I hopped out of my chair to get into the car, I can't be flashing my gun to the whole world (in addition to being a bad idea it's illegal where I live). Also I need something that conceals the gun even for incidentals, like I fall out of the chair (been known to happen, though usually only when I'm drunk and therefore not when I'm armed), or lift up to do a pressure relief.
    For this purpose I was thinking of something that was thin and relatively stiff, almost like some cardboard covered in black nylon, that would sit between the gun and my back, and (somehow) be held with a little bit of tension against the backrest. It would necessarily have to be high enough that the center of my lower back would have to be resting against it and therefore it shouldn't be stiff or hard enough to give me a pressure sore in the small of my back or my sacral region.

    Anywho, if youse guys got some ideas I'd love to hear them.

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    I found this picture I had taken a while back. Doesn't show the size relative to my pistols but you can get the general idea. The back of the Hazard 4 pouch is MOLLE webbing and that is what I zip tie to my chair. That little round loop is a one finger pull for my karambit and it's out in less than a second. The top of the pouch has the two zippers that can be spaced enough to provide a hand to get in and also conceal. I'll try to remember when I get home (I forgot yesterday) to throw something in there for size comparison. But I would highly recommend having something like this on anyone's chair, it is extremely useful in holding things and quick and easy to get them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tman9513 View Post
    I found this picture I had taken a while back. Doesn't show the size relative to my pistols but you can get the general idea. The back of the Hazard 4 pouch is MOLLE webbing and that is what I zip tie to my chair. That little round loop is a one finger pull for my karambit and it's out in less than a second. The top of the pouch has the two zippers that can be spaced enough to provide a hand to get in and also conceal. I'll try to remember when I get home (I forgot yesterday) to throw something in there for size comparison. But I would highly recommend having something like this on anyone's chair, it is extremely useful in holding things and quick and easy to get them out.
    maybe I could use a similar bag like this in the spot I’m thinking about carrying back behind the cushion. It could be zipped completely closed before I transfer, but wouldn’t be likely to flash anyone if I’m just doing a pressure relief or leaning forward or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funklab View Post
    maybe I could use a similar bag like this in the spot I?m thinking about carrying back behind the cushion. It could be zipped completely closed before I transfer, but wouldn?t be likely to flash anyone if I?m just doing a pressure relief or leaning forward or something.

    I'm having a super hard time getting my head around how a full-sized handgun will fit back there not be a huge pressure sore liability.
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