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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Oddity View Post
    LOL!!!!

    edit: oh, sorry, I know how you feel about 'acronyms':

    Laughing Out Loud!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by funklab View Post
    As I said above, for Steel Challenge, a shooting competition.

    https://steelchallenge.com/
    Perhaps my question was too subtile. I got the shooting competition, what I don't get is why? That said, my question is probably more appropriate to the political forum, and I shouldn't hijack this thread with that discussion. Sorry.
    Last edited by gjnl; 08-13-2018 at 01:20 PM.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by funklab View Post
    So I'm trying to convince myself that I have enough money to buy a new pistol, but to justify it I have to at least figure out a practical way that I could conceal it.

    Basically I am looking to buy a full size (or near full size) 9mm double stack pistol, preferably SA/DA, probably a Sig P226 or a Glock 19 (or 17) maybe a CZ clone. These are just to give you an idea of the kind of gun I'm going to get, I haven't picked the exact model yet, just want to demonstrate that it's a pretty sizeable gun.

    So here's me: 6' tall 130 pounds, T8 complete, TiLite ZRA that's 13" wide (so literally not enough room to slide my hand between my hip and the sideguards of my chair, which is how I like it). Given the bulk of this gun I would probably only carry it to and from the car in the summer and only keep it on my person in the winter time with more clothes to cover it up, unless I can think of a good place to stash it on my body/chair that would work for summer too (this would be ideal). When I'm at work I wear a pair of khakis or other semi-dress pants and a button down shirt, but I can't carry at work. When I'm off of work I usually wear somewhat baggy jeans (because I'm embarassed of my atrophied legs and because I came of age in the 90s when Jncos were a thing) and usually a button down shirt maybe a hoodie or a zip up coat depending on how cool it is (obviously assuming fall/winter here).

    I'd prefer to carry on my body, but could be convinced of an innovative enough way to carry on the chair if it was secure and I could still draw quickly.

    I saw this guy on youtube years ago and just refound the video. Obviously his was done to meet the technical requirements of the competition he was in, but an idea similar to this could be intersting.



    When I have a concealed carry permit I usually carry a Ruger SP101 (essentially a J-frame sized 5 shot revolver with a 3 inch barrel) and usually just carry it cross draw inside my waistband with no holster (no holster was legal in the state I was carrying in at the time, I know it's not legal many places, and I'd prefer a setup with a holster, but it was pretty secure - I never dropped it). A very few times I carried a full size 1911 in a small of the back holster like this
    only I rotated the holster over to the 3:00 position on my right hip, because of the sag in my pants (again, a product of the 90s, apologies if this offends your sensibilities), this left the gun pretty much vertical. It was an uncomfortably high draw, but the gun was very secure, however when I got my current chair there wasn't enough clearance even for the slender barrel of the 1911 on my side. Once or twice I carried a desert eagle and a 500 S&W magnum stuffed in my waistband to the grocery store as well, but that was more for shits and giggles than any practicality.

    The reason I want a double stack 9mm is that I'm starting to do Steel Challenge, and while I'd be happy to use my Delta Elite if they would only let me (they're afraid the 10mm will hurt their steel plates i guess???), I'm forced to use my .45 1911. Needless to say, I don't need any more disadvantages than the decreased mobility, and having only 8 rounds means I'm often reloading when others wouldn't need to. Also .45 ammo is getting expensive and I'm not set up to reload it, so cheaper 9mm rounds would be nice. In Steel Challenge I end up in the same category as everyone else with iron sights, which means many other people are literally running race guns with their optics swapped out for iron sights and the people I hope to one day be more competitive against are shooting stock Glocks or XDs with double the capacity of my lil old 1911.

    If you've got a suggestion for a pistol I should look at that meets the following criteria I'm open to suggestions:
    9mm
    Capacity of at least 12 rounds (preferably 15 or more)
    SA/DA preferred, but I'm open to 1911 style SA only and striker fired (I just don't really like striker fired guns)
    Barrel length 4" or more
    Grip large enough to get all my fingers on (I wear large sized gloves)

    Bonus points if it doesn't have a picatinny rail (I never use those and think they look ugly)

    Anywho, I'd be happy to hear any thoughts yall have and especially and personal experience. For all I know the video above might be one of you fine folks.

    i'd need to see you in your chair, but am guessing some sort of custom rig set up around what you can do and the room on your chair.

    for in and our of the vehicle cross draw or something custom would probably work best.

    the video is a good tool for what not to do, or how a ro (range officer) should not to run a stage.
    Jim, MA, MMET
    Bridgewater, MA

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjnl View Post
    Perhaps my question was too subtile. I got the shooting competition, what I don't get is why? That said, my question is probably more appropriate to the political forum, and I shouldn't hijack this thread that discussion. Sorry.
    Pistol shooting competitions can be quite fun, actually. While I have a CCW license, I don't carry because the risk/reward ratio is poor. But shooting targets for fun can be quite a blast.
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  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Tman9513 View Post
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...0ZY42HXXHZQFQX

    I have a Hazard 4 broadside with it zip tied to my frame on my right side, just next to my knee. The top zip tie goes under the seat upholstery bar and then the lower ties are on the frame. I usually carry a Springfield XDS, but - I can fit my P226 or my HK USP compact (.45) in there and close the zipper. If you put both of the zippers on the top with a smidge of space between them, you can put your hand in and open it fairly quick with some practice. I can take pictures when I get home with various pistols in it if you want to see. It's for carry though and maybe not the best for competition. And when I'm not carrying then my phone is usually in it. I also keep a flat karambit in the front of the bag that no one can see is there and it is extremely fast to deploy.
    I'd definitely be interested in seeing how you've got it set up.

    Quote Originally Posted by parashooter View Post
    5.11 makes a nice fanny pack for concealed carry. I simply sling it over one knee. Works great, easy to access and no one knows it's a firearm inside.
    I looked up the 5.11 fanny pack, but I'm having trouble visualizing what you mean by "slinging it over one knee". What is the fanny pack secured to?

    Fanny pack is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how it would work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oddity View Post
    On body carry of a full sized 9mm is only 3 choices IMO: Strong side, crossdraw, or vertical shoulder. I vastly prefer OWB on crossdraw and strongside, as I find when seated full time that even single layer garments bunch up enough around the waist and to effectively conceal just about anything.
    Strong side pretty much wont work because of how narrow my chair is, unless I figure a way to mount the holster at 4:00ish and high, but then I'd be leaning back on the grip and the last thing I need is to get a pressure sore just cuz I wanted to carry a gun that was literally too big for my britches.

    Crossdraw is what I've done before, and it works pretty decent with a revolver because the lines blend in with the body more easily. I find it much harder to carry a semi-auto of any size that way without it printing pretty bad.

    Shoulder holster is a pretty reasonable idea, I bought a couple cheap ones back in the day when I started carrying, but I'm a pretty skinny dude, so even my snub nose revolver pokes out a little bit unless I'm wearing a pretty bulky overgarment. If I wore just a suit jacket over it (one of my main goals in life is to wear one of those the fewest times possible, this is just for illustration purposes) it would print like crazy.

    On the chair I have a couple of options. I have a fairly large bag (like a small messenger bag) hanging vertically right behind my knees, it's kind of a pain to get in and out of though, it takes me like 10 seconds to grab my wallet from down there, but maybe I could rig something up. The other space that I have on my chair is between the back of the cushion and the flap of material from the slingback that hangs down to prevent people from seeing your plumber's crack. There's enough room for a gun there, but I'd have to figure out a way to keep the pistol concealed when I got out of the chair to transfer or pushed up to do a pressure relief... Just as with the original intended purpose of this extra piece of nylon on the chair, you can't go around flashing people all the time.



    Quote Originally Posted by gjnl View Post
    Perhaps my question was too subtile. I got the shooting competition, what I don't get is why? That said, my question is probably more appropriate to the political forum, and I shouldn't hijack this thread with that discussion. Sorry.
    Subtile-ness wasn't your problem I think, I just don't have a better answer than that.

    Why do some people fish? Why do some people play pool? Why do some people like mountain climbing? Why do some people enjoy scuba diving?

    There's seemingly no end to human's capacity to find enjoyment in all manner of recreational activities. This is just one of the things I enjoy doing.

    But perhaps you're right, your question is better suited to the political forum where Andy can tell you that you and the rest of the liberal elite are trying to "steal mah guns!"

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
    i'd need to see you in your chair, but am guessing some sort of custom rig set up around what you can do and the room on your chair.

    for in and our of the vehicle cross draw or something custom would probably work best.
    Unfortunately I can't easily take pictures of myself in my chair (I live alone and am too bashful to ask strangers to come take pictures of me in my wheelchair with my gun).

    My ZRA has a 90 degree bend on the frame with a vertical downtube. There is probably enough room for the pistol to be strapped either to the outside or preferably the inside of the right downtube, but it would have to be very secure and well concealed from all angles because it would have to survive the chair frame being twirled around and swung over my body while getting into and out of the car.

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Mize View Post
    Pistol shooting competitions can be quite fun, actually. While I have a CCW license, I don't carry because the risk/reward ratio is poor. But shooting targets for fun can be quite a blast.
    Yeah, I understand target shooting, NL is pretty good with her PPK. But, I just don't understand the concealed weapon part...Why?

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by gjnl View Post
    Yeah, I understand target shooting, NL is pretty good with her PPK. But, I just don't understand the concealed weapon part...Why?
    Cuz it's illegal (and probably a bad idea) to carry a pistol openly where I'm from.

    But more to your actual point (and speaking only for myself), it's because I can.

    Guns kill more people than just about anything else in this country (except cars), and should have never been invented. But if one gun exists in the world, I want the second one off the assembly line.

    In 20 or 30 years it's going to be absolutely absurd to people that we are allowed to carry around firearms (hell, it's already absurd to people in foreign countries like England and France and Canada and California), but while it's legal there are times that I would prefer having a firearm on me and while I'm still allowed to, I will go ahead and flex that right.

  8. #18
    Are you sure you don't have room between your hip & side guard? O run a pretty tight/narrow setup with permanent rigid cf sideguards. I can still wear an owb holster with either a g19 or an m&p compact comfortably. Just leave my shirt untucked. I do run 26" wheels so the guards come up kinda high, which helps even more to cover up.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by tw View Post
    Are you sure you don't have room between your hip & side guard? O run a pretty tight/narrow setup with permanent rigid cf sideguards. I can still wear an owb holster with either a g19 or an m&p compact comfortably. Just leave my shirt untucked. I do run 26" wheels so the guards come up kinda high, which helps even more to cover up.
    Pretty sure. I was not exagerrating when I said I can’t fit my hand (meaning just my fingers) between the sideguard and my hip. If you’re familiar with the way TiLite sideguards are built I even turned them inside out (swapped left for right) so that I got an extra eighth of an inch or so by having the aluminum bar the sideguards are bolted to on the inside and not the outside. I can put one sheet of paper between my hip and the sideguard and there’s enough pressure to hold it so it doesn’t go anywhere while I roll down a hill at 10 mph.

    the chair fits like a glove (at least when it comes to my hips), and is pretty darn narrow. The frame width is 13” and with 590 spinergys with 2 degrees of camber and the push rim tabs mounted on the long hole the widest part of my chair is about 20.25”, so I can easily fit through a 22” bathroom door. I’m all about keeping it as tight and narrow as possible and am reducing the spacing of the wheels 1/4” on my next chair hoping I’ll be able to fit thru a 20” door.

  10. #20
    So I went and blew $200 on a range membership that comes with one free rental each time I shoot, started with a Sig P226. It’s a pretty sweet gun, I think I’m gonba have trouble choosing a striker fired gun over it. I’ll rent the Glock 19 next and see how that stacks up. Not sure if the range has any CZ or CZ clones I can check out, but I’ll probably try one of those next if available. They’ve got some XDs, which I guess I’ll shoot for good measure, but I’m pretty sure I’m gonna hate them... any other suggestions (other than Oddity’s suggestions I have already taken into account)?

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