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    Something to ponder this 4th of July

    The 4th is a celebration of patriotism. The Pledge of Allegiance will be recited many times today as an expression of our commitment to upholding the values for which the U.S. stands. However, very few people know the history of the Pledge. Given what is happening in this country these days makes the history a timely read. Below is a link to the history published in the Washington Post.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c7d75f6fac6b
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    I enjoyed reading that. Historical context is interesting to read about IMO. Can be speculative, and deciding how to apply that context today can be tricky.

    I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water, just yet. Lots of folks, highly flawed by today's standard, have drafted some incredibly meaningful stuff in our history. I'm not ready to fully ascribe anyone's personal flaws to their public works. Some pretty terrible people have changed the world for the better IMO. I prefer to judge the Pledge on its content rather than the politics of its author. Standing for the Pledge isn't standing for Bellamy. (Also, being that I'm white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, male, and trying really hard, I have a natural aversion to narratives saying I'm what's wrong with the world. Being a WASP is not a delegitimization.)

    Of course, I don't think anyone should be compelled to stand for the Pledge, by the government, but I do think there are certain roles one may choose to play in our society that command a legitimate loyalty oath. Paying taxes is generally speaking enough of a demonstration of 'compelled loyalty' for the rank and file citizens IMO.
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    Happy 4th of July!

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