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Thread: Permobil M300 Corpus G3

  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by crags View Post
    Does anybody have any experience with or opinion of the anterior tilt feature of the Permobil? I tried it out when I had the demo in my home. It supposedly helps with reaching for things and doing some work for short periods when you need to lean forward, like writing checks etc.. I can see it having benefit, especially since it saves the shoulders from having to pull yourself forward out of the power chair back to reach for something.

    As a quad we would only want to use it in the lower ranges as once the seat tilts you too far forward you could slide out of position.

    Also I am awaiting to hear from my DME rep whether it is a covered or noncovered option.
    I have it in my Permobil F3 I love it when transferring in to bed, at a restaurant or bar and need a little help reaching something or getting ready in the morning. Mine is 10%

    I dont think anything is non covered item its about how good your DME ATP is at writing the order and showing necessity.

    I have friends who have lighting kits funded, medical necessity back packs and holding hooks approved, larger 24 batteries etc. I think the biggest change is having elevated seating approved.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by gjnl View Post
    I posted comments to Post #11 at this thread: http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthr...ant-to-be-rich

    The poster ("grommet") indicated earlier in the thread that he didn't have very good insurance and was paying out of pocket for his chairs. Others urged him to at least give the system a try. I started a "to do" list and hope others will add to it.




    Medicare requires that you go through certain steps in the process. Private insurance may not require the same steps, but going through them anyway can only serve to strengthen your case.


    • First, get a face to face appointment with your physician to discuss the need for a new chair of the type you require. Make sure he understands the classes of chairs available and that your level of injury and previous chairs you have used make you eligible for the Permobil class you are interested in. At this meeting get a referral to a physical (PT) or occupational (OT) therapist for a wheelchair/seating evaluation.
    • Make the appointments with the physical or occupational therapist.
    • Through your contact with the Permobil regional representative in your area, get a name(s) of durable medical suppliers. Check with your insurance company to make sure the durable medical equipment supplier(s) you are considering are approved. Medicare and some insurance companies require that you deal with a durable medical supplier that has either a certified ATP (Assistive Technology Professional) or and SMS (Seating and Mobility Specialist) on staff who will be working in concert with the OT or PT to specify the chair and accessories you require. Don't be backward about voicing your opinion and desire for a specific chair
    • Make sure you get copies of the OT or PT evaluation, the letter of medical necessity, and the specifications of the chair and all accessories. Go over these documents very carefully and make sure the correct diagnosis codes have been used, the letter of medical necessity is thorough and complete and discusses why the chair and accessories are necessary. I went through 3 iterations before everything on these documents was correct. Chances are you doctor will know less about the chair than you do and he won't take the time to vouch everything. He'll just sign where ever there is a "Sign Here" message flag. I arranged with my doctor that he wouldn't sign anything until I had a chance to make sure everything was in order.
    • Once the documents have been sent to your insurance company, call them and ask to be assigned to a special case worker who will be your liaison through the entire process. Stay in contact with the durable medical equipment company to make sure they respond in a timely manner if the insurance company has questions. Check in periodically with the regional Permobil rep so he/she can check on the manufacture and assembly process.


    I'm sure there are other things to add to this list. I hope others will post their suggestion here or on the Permobil thread I started at: http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthr...M300-Corpus-G3

    All the best,
    GJ


    GJNL: I have to tell you I am working with grommet and I am not sure if its his insurance or more just the understanding of how to get a chair.

    Its been fun working with him and seeing his excitement though the process. Even though its still early we worked with Permobil sales manager in his area and the manager of NuMotion to get him a nice weekend demo so he can try the F3 for a weekend in his environment so really see how it will improve his mobility.

    After his demo if the F3 works out all the steps you outlined are really the DME's ATP job to coordinate those appointments and work on each step getting documentation on what is needed.

    I think all the extra work is not needed and if for some reason documentation is missing its simple phone calls to get paper work resent.

    The DME should have all copies of paper work so they are pretty much the one stop shop.

    I think the best advice I would give is to get emails addresses for the DME writer and manager and do follow ups on where the order is, what is expected on the next step regarding time lines and to check in with the insurance provider to make sure the order is working its way though there path.

    If its not going smooth start sending emails off to the writer 1st, then still having issues include his boss, still no good then include the GM.

    I have had a few issues with NuMotion and National Seating so we have reached out to there CEO's from time to time.

    Both have been very helpful in helping with orders that stall.

    Everyone has there own process but I hate to see people work harder then they have too.

    Average wait time is about 6-9 months.

    Having just funded my F3 last year and so far have helped 10 end users with there chair approvals it's really just understanding what is needed and expected.
    Last edited by RollPositive; 12-09-2016 at 02:09 PM.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by gjnl View Post
    The Permabil order form has two tire offerings Pneumatic and Flat Free. The order form doesn't mention if the Flat Free tires are gel or foam, but the write up in the on line brochure specifically says gel.

    I currently have an Ivacare TDX-SP, mid-wheel with foam filled tires. Rough ride! But, I don't do a lot of off road stuff with it. Some pavers and cobble walkways are killer, but I'm not in much danger of getting stuck.

    Re: the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_inKBtiwM, above. I have a friend with a 30+? concrete driveway and I have to "tack" back and forth to get to the top. Looks like it would be a lot easier in a Permobil.

    Thursday, I'm going to the durable medical equipment supplier. He says he has 15 chairs on the showroom floor, variations of same models, that I can try out. I hope he has a couple that will fit my 6' 3" height. Being able to demo a wheelchair has never been easy at my height.

    Thanks for your comments.

    All the best,
    GJ
    I've had my TDX-SP mid wheel drive for almost 6 years now and was without it for a month and a half.I got a loaner chair (perimobil c300) I was very disappointed the battery life was bad I had to charge it every night,the ride and sturdiness was bumpy it would fishtail when I would pick up speed & bounce with the slightest movement and this was on smooth ground in my home.I was surprised when I read your post gjnl about the rough ride my tdx feels so much better than the c300.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by SLIQNES View Post
    I've had my TDX-SP mid wheel drive for almost 6 years now and was without it for a month and a half.I got a loaner chair (perimobil c300) I was very disappointed the battery life was bad I had to charge it every night,the ride and sturdiness was bumpy it would fishtail when I would pick up speed & bounce with the slightest movement and this was on smooth ground in my home.I was surprised when I read your post gjnl about the rough ride my tdx feels so much better than the c300.
    The Permobil c300 is a front wheel drive chair. The m300 is a mid wheel drive chair. This is the chair I demoed and I felt had a superior ride to my 7 year old TDX-SP. Sometime, probably about mid 2017, the Permobil m300 will be replaced with the m3, also a mid wheel power chair.

    I took the m300 over 3 inch curbs, rumble strips (for the blind) at curb cuts, gutter grates, into and out of my van, on cobbles and pavers, and I did not experience the jarring and teeth rattling bumpiness that I have with my TDX-SP.

    All the best,
    GJ
    Last edited by gjnl; 12-15-2016 at 06:02 PM.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by gjnl View Post
    The Permobil c300 is an older model of the Permobil mid wheel power chair. The model that replaced it was an m300. This is the chair I demoed and I felt had a superior ride to my 7 year old TDX-SP. Sometime, probably about mid 2017, the Permobil m300 will be replaced with the m3, also a mid wheel power chair.

    I took the m300 over 3 inch curbs, rumble strips (for the blind) at curb cuts, gutter grates, into and out of my van, on cobbles and pavers, and I did not experience the jarring and teeth rattling bumpiness that I have with my TDX-SP.

    All the best,
    GJ
    Interesting im gonna try to find some vidoes of it in action.

  6. #86
    You'll find quite a few videos here: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...user=0&tbm=vid

    The first one "Permobil m300 is a Beast" is a good one.

    All the best,
    GJ

  7. #87
    GJ did you get the seat elevator?
    Art

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Art454 View Post
    GJ did you get the seat elevator?
    Yes, it is on the order.

    All the best,
    GJ

  9. #89
    Just replaced my awful riding TDX with a F3 The anterior tilt comes in handy. Use the lights often when going in a dark room. Tried a C500 once but found it clumsy. No problem going from driving mid wheel to front wheel drive.

  10. #90
    Surprises of all surprises! has come earlier!

    The m300 has been delivered to my durable medical supplier's shop and I have an appointment to have it delivered to my home by a technician who will go through the final set up with me.

    So instead of 3-9 months, it barely took 6-8 weeks.

    My timeline:
    10/24/16 Wheelchair evaluation by an occupational therapist
    11/03/16 Meeting with durable medical supplier and demo
    11/16/16 Meeting with durable medical supplier and demo
    11/18/16 San Jose Abilities Exp
    11/23/16 Wheelchair ordered by durable medical supplier
    12/12/16 Call from durable medical supplier that chair has arrived.
    12/15/15 Appointment to set up chair

    Hope all goes as smoothly for any of you who are going through the same process.

    The chair does have power seat elevation. Full disclosure seat elevation on the m300 is a promotional item from Permobil at this time.

    All the best,
    GJ

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