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    Is Tesla's Autopilot feature dangerous?

    Is Tesla's Autopilot feature dangerous?

    Questions abound in the wake of the first death of a driver of a Tesla car with its self-driving features engaged.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which has begun a preliminary evaluation into the fatal May 7 crash of a 2015 Model S electric car, said its probe centers on the car's 'Autopilot' feature.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...fety/86593334/
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    There will be deaths. Most likely far fewer than otherwise. Death by vehicle is epidemic. Worse than guns.
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    Witness: Driver watched 'Harry Potter' as self-driving car crashed

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/n...-ago/86592458/

    Really Harry Potter not even porn!
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    Insurance liability is gonna love this. Who is liable when a self-driving car's program malfunctions? The software company or the driver?
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    I have self driving features in my Benz and it's save me a few times, I think these features are great, you still need to pay attention just in case, but I'd say these features save many more lives than kill people. I know when I drive from Florida to up north it is a much less fatiquing drive and I feel safer. I hope this does not hurt the progress of autonomous driving cars, it is also a good feature for 18 wheeler trucks and can reduce many accidents especially if a driver becomes over tired.
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    I drive my Father-in-Law's Tesla from time to time and I absolutely love it. Can't wait to inherit it. . It's one of the new ones with the self-driving hardware, but without the software. Very much looking forward to that.
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    it's very new technology. Prone to bugs. I might buy an automated car in 10 years when the technology is a little better thought out, maybe. I like driving, so I doubt it.
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    Hope they will give it chance by learning how and why it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutley View Post
    it's very new technology. Prone to bugs. I might buy an automated car in 10 years when the technology is a little better thought out, maybe. I like driving, so I doubt it.

    That's the rub for me, too. I really enjoy driving. Always have but since my SCI it has become even more so. Cars are like giant turbo charged wheelchairs, and represent a freedom of mobility otherwise lost. The act of driving itself is very satisfying to me!
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    Tesla's Autopilot is, according to the company, a beta test. That is the final stage of testing to work out any bugs. That said, should Tesla or any other auto manufacturer be allowed to release beta testing features on the pubic roads? Drivers are made aware that some of these features are in beta test, and they must sign an agreement with Tesla that they will constantly monitor these beta test features and be ready to take control at anytime. But there are no features on board to monitor the drivers' as they drive these cars. Their is some "black box" data on the Tesla that can tell how fast a vehicle was going and when the brakes were applied, but there is nothing that monitors the eye direction of the driver which would give an indication of what the driver is/was doing.

    Probably all of us, at one time or another, has participated in beta testing software on our computers. This kind of beta test is pretty benign, the most that can happen is that you lose time and data. But, allowing car companies to have the general pubic beta test autopilot on pubic roads can lead to property damage and severe injury or death to drivers and passengers. Other companies, Google for instance, are testing autonomous driving cars on public roadways, but the drivers are screened and and all functions of the car and driver are monitored during test drives.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Agency should be on top of this and have regulations in place that apply to this kind beta testing.

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