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    Shower pan recommendation?

    Hello. I'm in the middle of a bathroom remodel job and I could use some advice about a decent shower pan for an assesible shower. This isn't a tile over deal, just a regular base. I have looked at freedom shower's after following another link here by sci55. I didn't have a clue after researching so any sugestions would be great. We are going to tile the stall and floor in the bathroom. Not looking high dollar, something in the middle, probably 48"x37" ( if thats lg enough) I'm not in a chair yet but told it will be comming so just trying to get ahead of things now while we are remodeling. Thanks for your time...Mark

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    Have you searched Care Cure Community for "shower pan?"

    Some models that have been mentioned by folks who have done remodels and new construction are Swanstone, Kohler, and Schluter Kerdi. There are some very good posts with pictures in past threads.

    All the best,
    GJ

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    Take a look at the Center for Universal Design at North Carolina State University.

    http://www.ncsu.edu/www/ncsu/design/...pubpdflist.htm

    Specifically:

    Curbless Showers: An Installation Guide , CS, 2003, 17 pp., NC residents free, Out-of-state $5.00
    This booklet introduces the curbless shower and shows how the size and other details can be incorporated to successfully control water. It can help architects, builders, remodelers, installers and carpenters better understand the critical design and construction issues involved when installing curbless or "roll-in" showers.
    Note: Available in PDF

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    No I didn't gjnl, I did go to the forum and look through that way. Funny it was you that listed the freedom shower link I was refering to. I don't have much time. Thanks chris-k and stephen212. The price of these things cracks me up and I'd laugh if I didn't have to purchase one.

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    I'd just pick a simple one with minimal slope and a trench drain.

    e.g. http://www.deltafaucet.com/bath/bath...threshold.html

    Do some price shopping. No need to get fancy with a shower pan.

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    Thanks -scott-, they seem to be running about 1k when you add all the fixings.
    Do most people prefer the trench drain and for what reasons?

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    Have you considered a built in place/built to suit tiled shower pan with a trench drain?

    One of our members (titanium4motion)posted this very detailed message about bathroom remodel in a previous thread (see the entire post with hot links and pictures at Post #1 at this thread:
    http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthread.php?t=114669

    Extreme Makeover: Shower Room Edition
    Last year, 2007, my poured cement shower base cracked and started to leak into the basement. I first had my bathroom converted to a roll-in shower in 1988 before there was an Americans with Disabilities Act, ADA, that gives approximate location for bathroom fixtures, sinks, toilets, etc. When my roll in shower was constructed the design method was, “This looks good about here!” It was poorly designed and not thoroughly accessible as you can see from the pictures below. The roll in shower door swings inwards. Over the years a ramp was added and a tile floor. Many contractors didn’t want to touch the job in 1988.

    So for several months last year I sat down and designed a shower room instead another roll in shower using Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Accessibility Guidelines For Buildings and Facilities, also know as ADAAG, and Curbless Showers An Installation Guide by The Center For Universal Design NC State University College of Design. These two documents gave enough ideas and information I needed to design my shower room.

    Last year three men Ted, Robert and John, my Dream Team I called them, did my upstair’s bathroom for my wife and they did an outstanding job! It was their perfectionism to fine detail that motivated me to design the shower room.

    While demolition and construction was going on I had a make shift shower in the basement to use. The walls were just rolled plastic from Home Depot.

    As you see in the pictures the water damage from the first shower base due to insufficient support of the cast iron tub that was originally there. They reinforced the floor with additional studding and removed all water damaged wood with new lumber. They also constructed the boxes for two trench drains and a Schluter®-Kerdi-Drain.

    David Campbell of David Campbell Heating, Inc. did all the plumbing and rerouting of the heating duct in the shower room. The Dream Team did the rest. The heating vent control is in the basement.

    The underlayment is pine planking screwed to the joices with two ½” layers of USG Fiberock® Underlayment Aqua™ Tough screwed to the pine flooring. Then covered with Schluter® waterproof membrane (orange colored material) then coated with Red Guard®. Red Guard® is a ready-to-use, elastomeric, waterproofing and anti-fracture membrane for commercial and residential tile and stone installations. You can easily apply it using a roller, trowel or sprayer. It also meets IAPMO specifications for use as a shower pan liner. Protected by MoldGard® Technology to resist mold and mildew growth.

    The walls are Georgia-Pacific DensGuard® Tile Backer which is light weight moisture and mold resistance board.

    The ceiling is tiled with eight recessed can lights. The floor is 100% level.

    So why a leveled floor? August 10th, 2004, I was drinking my morning coffee and I heard metal ticking from my shower chair. I didn’t think nothing of it. While showering that morning a bolt snapped on my shower chair causing the front left caster of the shower chair to go upwards while I tumbled downwards into the toilet then to the floor. You don’t realize the stress and strain that is put on a shower chair when each wheel is on a different inclined plane while showering. None of this is found in an engineering book. See attached photo. After this experience, my next shower room is going to be flat.

    But water will not drain? So what! The natural process of evaporation will dry 80% of the water by the time I get dressed and back into my ‘chair. I have to wipe the floor anyways after every shower I have had but believe me most of the water will run off and evaporate in such a small square footage plus I just need to open the window and the floor will dry. With the heat on during the winter months the hot air blowing out of the vent helps dries the floor more.

    There are two trench drains. One next to the wall with no grate on top and the one you see with the grate. The grey plastic is ugly and I am having a new grate manufactured out of stainless steel with the slots going the opposite direction to catch all of the run off water.

    The stainless steel shelves are Rogar wine racks that I put at 44” in height. The height that would clear my shoulder sitting in my shower chair. I have towels, wash clothes, cleaners, soap, insertion kits and foleys up there. Inside the mirror cabinet I had a GFI installed so that I can put the cordless shaver in there with my cup, tooth brush, toothpaste and hair brush. I also applied Velcro on the back of the mirror to hold my hair brush and a bottle of Q-tips.

    One problem I had is the Kohler® Stillness® spout. The specifications sheet says it passes ADA but ADAAG states the top of the lavatory must be at 34” maximum (4.19.2 Height and Clearances). The spout is 7-1/4” in height obstructing the center mirror to swing open. ADAAG states, “4.19.6* Mirrors. Mirrors shall be mounted with the bottom edge of the reflecting surface no higher than 40 inches (1015mm) above the finish floor (see Fig. 31). I wrote Kohler about this with no answer.”

    The white material is Meganite 100% acrylic solid surface material. The corner shelf, soap dish, heating vent cover and shower door jamb are made of it. A very clean look. The heating vent cover will never rust. The shower door is a Basco shower door ordered at 80” in height sandblasted to have an obscured look. The shower door swings outwards in case of an emergency. I tried to make the door opening as wide as possible. The cabinet to the left of the door holds my urological supplies.

    Any after thoughts? Yes! After I saw how Ted did the floor under the toilet I would have purchased a wall mounted toilet that would give me seven extra inches plus the beauty of the entire floor to see. Making the two cantilever shelves out of Meganite too.

    Every time I enter my shower room it has 100% Wow effect!

    The new shower room you can do a 360 degrees turn around in the shower chair and out the shower door. In front of the sink in a regular Tilite ‘chair you can do a 360 degree turn around in front of it and out the door.

    While showering and done you just turn around and grab a towel. The same with a wash cloth or Clorox to clean my night bottle and leg bag appliances.

    Here are some web site for help:
    Schluter Systems:
    http://www.schluter.com

    Georgia-Pacific:
    http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=6388

    Sinks, toilets, etc:
    Duravit
    http://www.duravit.com

    Kohler
    http://www.us.kohler.com/index.jsp

    Trench drain web sites:
    NDS
    http://www.ndspro.com/cms

    Stormtech
    http://www.stormtech.com.au

    Omvivo
    http://www.omvivo.com/wet.htm

    Architectural Stainless
    http://www.scsdesignonline.com/index.htm

    Infinity Trench
    http://www.infinitytrench.com/products.php3

    Shower room web sites:
    KBRS Inc.
    http://www.showerbase2.com/Home_Page.html

    Starcraft Custom Builders
    http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/bath.10elments.htm

    Stainless steel shelves:
    Rogar
    http://www.rogar.com

    Cabinets:
    http://www.kraftmaid.com

    So you are probably wondering how much did this cost? It cost me couple dollars shy of $20k for the shower room project. Believe me it was very well worth every penny.

    If anyone has any questions? Please feel free to email me at titanium4motion@roadrunner.com.

    My next project is the accessible house. I am busy working on that.

    I would add many more pictures but I don't know how to do that. If someone knows? Let me know. I tried several different methods only with a limit of five. I'll add more pictures. I would also upload the pdf documents too.


    Here is thread about trench drains:
    http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthread.php?t=133722

    All the best,
    GJ

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    Thanks gjnl, still looking at it. I agreed to go with a no tile shower pan. I have one at freedom similar to the one -scot- shared, just without the trench drain. Need to research them more. Thanks again for saving me some time. Mark

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