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Thread: Inclined Bed Therapy (IBT) How is everyone?

  1. #31
    No where in the article above is the inclined bed position (reverse Trendelenberg) mentioned as beneficial. It is a straw dog. There is no real science behind this. The link to the Facebook page in Andrew's signature is considered spam for our forums.

    Those who are desperate for a cure are a prime target for medical quackery, and more than willing to believe that changes in the natural course of the disease are actually due to something new they have tried when sold to them by a snake oil salesperson who promises miracles. Ask yourself why Andrew K Fletcher is the ONLY PERSON who is promoting this and why his websites have the only "information" about the benefits of this so-called therapy related to SCI cure.

    http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery.../quackvul.html

    http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/...g/MiracleCures

    (KLD)

  2. #32

    cynisism

    Quote Originally Posted by lakboy View Post
    Don't understand the cynicism !
    Ignore the nay sayers comments and draw your own conclusion from your own experiments. If I can be of more help please don't hesitate to contact me.

    What has happened here on Carecure previously when IBT was first introduced, is a few people deliberately cause threads to become closed by the moderator by posting malicious unfounded personal comments.

    Andrew
    Last edited by Andrew K Fletcher; 04-16-2013 at 01:31 PM.
    Find us on Facebook using inclined bed therapy as a search term.

  3. #33
    From your post about permissible signatures: You can include a signature URL to your personal website or blog, but not to a commercial website such as your business or a business you are working for or with, or to sites such as porn sites, etc. As Facebook is definitely not a company page and is a community who are using and interested in Inclined Bed Therapy does the url to the page adhere to the rules on this forum?
    Find us on Facebook using inclined bed therapy as a search term.

  4. #34
    Anyone can post on his facebook page https://www.facebook.com/InclinedBedTherapy

  5. #35
    I have complained through the report post tab for the defamatory and unfounded comments on this thread, which are deliberately aimed at destroying interest in a free therapy that has helped people with spinal cord injury to recover function, sensitivity and bowel and bladder function. There are no products for sale and no one has ever been charged a single cent for this advice. What you, the perpetrators, are doing is bullying people who genuinely are interested in exploring an alternative route, which may be of some use to them. I think your attempts to sabotage this important research for whatever floats your boat is deplorable and utterly selfish!

    Your mention of two sites that contain nothing about Inclined Bed Therapy to mislead people into believing that this is some scam to gain financial reward is despicable.

    I repeat my request which should have been resolved by the moderators publicly to have the perpetrators of these defamatory personal attacks remove them from this thread and allow people interested in IBT, who are more than capable of thinking for themselves the courtesy of exploring this therapy and reasoning for themselves.

    Andrew K Fletcher
    Find us on Facebook using inclined bed therapy as a search term.

  6. #36
    Quote Andrew K Fletcher:
    Yet all the evidence is stacked up against sleeping flat. There are lots of published papers that demonstrate muscular atrophy, demineralisation of the skeleton, heart atrophy, induced neurological damage, visual imparements, tissue damage, formation of gall, kidney and bladder stones, edema, night time paralysis all attached to sleeping in a flat bed.
    You lack concrete evidence to support your so called therapy and so you have to misrepresent the case against inactivity as being a case against horizontality. When your deception is this transparent of course people are dismissive of your claims.
    You claim to have been researching IBT for seventeen years on other websites. If you have been doing research for such a long period of time surely you should at least have managed to convince one medical professional of its benefits. Instead you are limited to parading your claims on your own websites and there is not one serious scientist interested, after seventeen years of self promotion. If inclines are so good for us why is getting the message across such an uphill struggle?

  7. #37
    And you choose to ignore the results that were posted here on this very forum by people like Foster?

    Perhaps a more friendly approach to discussion is in order? This forum began discussing IBT all by itself after reading an article about Inclined Bed Therapy, published in a Doctors Book.

    http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off...d-of-your-bed/
    Find us on Facebook using inclined bed therapy as a search term.

  8. #38
    Just because a Doctor (whatever that is) publishes something in a book does not mean it is legitimate, nor research-based or validated. Lots of quacks are out there publishing books, including physicians and "PhDs" (often from diploma mills). I have never seen anything that is considered legitimate research, using legitimate science, that indicates that IBT is anything but a waste of time and effort. Testimonials are the refuge of the quack and scammer, and have no place in evidence based care or therapy.

    (KLD)

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew K Fletcher View Post
    This forum began discussing IBT all by itself after reading an article about Inclined Bed Therapy, published in a Doctors Book.

    http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off...d-of-your-bed/
    This forum started with you posting a link to your face book page. The link you pasted above takes you to a page with this sentence in the introductory paragraphs:

    "Modern research seems to find that there are several health benefits to this design of which I will describe later in this blog"

    What you link to is not a book, it is a blog. The blog contains a link to "About the author" and this is what we find out about the author:

    "I have studied, experimented with and practiced many different religions and magickal systems, personally I am not much of a Religious Practitioner, per say; nothing really seemed to jump out at me quite like Science, Human Nature and the Natural Order; therefore My largest curiousities have always been related to the Druids (Ancient, Renaissance, and Modern), the Alchemists i.e Aquinas, Psychology, Sociology and Physics."

    Your doctor is somebody with an interest in Druids and Alchemy and no medical qualifications that are recorded. Forgive me shooting the messanger but is it strange that I don't find their opinion on medicine authoritiative?

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew K Fletcher View Post
    Cheesecake, I cannot believe how you can call me a snake oil salesman. On what grounds do you base this? What exactly is it that I am supposed to be selling? I challenge you to look all to look at my posts and the posts from those on the forum who actually tried Inclined Bed Therapy, not those who think that a few pillows or raising the head end of a bed with legs either raised or level. Ignore the post from Andy who for some reason deliberately sabotaged my work. And while you are at it watch the video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3D7tBQfCxQ

    If I had a spinal cord injury, I too would be cynical about anyone proposing anything that goes against what the medical profession are advocating, but when the medical profession say you won't recover, get used to it. I sure as hell would investigate every option, especially when it costs nothing !

    Cass: What kind of defence is it that I keep "popping in"? Ever asked yourself why anyone would waste 18 years of their life helping people for nothing if he / she had nothing to offer?

    Cryptagimp: Bang on regarding respiratory conditions. Wrong about blood pooling in the legs though, unless of course you just raise the upper half of the bed and have your legs flat. Right again on the smoking.

    Beatscookin: Your argument is interesting. What you are saying gets to the heart of why anything either I or anyone using IBT write here is ignored. Ignorance is bliss? Anecdotal evidence does not = no evidence at all. It does however mean that as long as the evidence is ignored we feel safe tucked up in our flat beds. Yet all the evidence is stacked up against sleeping flat. There are lots of published papers that demonstrate muscular atrophy, demineralisation of the skeleton, heart atrophy, induced neurological damage, visual imparements, tissue damage, formation of gall, kidney and bladder stones, edema, night time paralysis all attached to sleeping in a flat bed.

    Flying: Like your bed, the Earth was once thought to be flat.

    T8, don't doubt it test it.

    6 Shooter: Can we learn more about what you did regarding tilting the bed, height at head end for example, is the bed completely tilted? Has your son slept flat for comparison? How long post injury prior to tilting his bed?

    Andrew

    If you had an SCI, you'd be annoyed as hell at someone like you making insane claims of "inclined bed therapy" as a help, would not think for a second your "therapy" was anything other than delusional quackery of the lowest common denominator.

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