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    Perhaps the tiny minority are strategic quitters?

    Do you remember this:

    https://spinalcordresearchandadvocac...-test-of-time/

    I am planning to be here around long enough to see how the epi-stim story will end, will you too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paolocipolla View Post
    Do you remember this:

    https://spinalcordresearchandadvocac...-test-of-time/

    I am planning to be here around long enough to see how the epi-stim story will end, will you too?
    You're attempting to compare apples and oranges. Decorin never made it off the research lab bench whereas epidural stimulation has surpassed that X 1,000...

    And yes, nobody is digging my grave just yet so I plan to be around for a few years to see how things are going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAMMY View Post
    You're attempting to compare apples and oranges. Decorin never made it off the research lab bench whereas epidural stimulation has surpassed that X 1,000...

    And yes, nobody is digging my grave just yet so I plan to be around for a few years to see how things are going.
    Funny, Paola digs his own grave every time he types!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAMMY View Post
    You're attempting to compare apples and oranges. Decorin never made it off the research lab bench whereas epidural stimulation has surpassed that X 1,000...

    And yes, nobody is digging my grave just yet so I plan to be around for a few years to see how things are going.
    I think probably it would have been a waste of money to do a trial with decorin as the animal studies (as far as I understand) so far do not indicate it can induce significant recovery in people.

    In my opinion with epi-stim the preclinical data are weak and do not justify spending so many millions to do clinical trials as it is happening.

    This mistake has been made in the past already with the NOGO antibody (for example). It is sad that in my opinion we are repeating the same mistake.

    Time will tell, in the meantime I would suggest you and all people here to look at the preclinical data and also at the clinical data already available with objectivity.

    I don't really care that time will prove me right, I just want a cure ASAP and for that to happen the least money we waste the better.
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    do you have links or something to the afforementioned weak data...it's not that I do or do not agree, I just haven't seen it and need to read it to come to my own conclusions ...because "most" of what I hear sounds pretty great but on the other hand I just have to be kind of expecting big talk and hyped anecdotal talk in sci...simply need to see the data for myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by lunasicc42 View Post
    do you have links or something to the afforementioned weak data...it's not that I do or do not agree, I just haven't seen it and need to read it to come to my own conclusions ...because "most" of what I hear sounds pretty great but on the other hand I just have to be kind of expecting big talk and hyped anecdotal talk in sci...simply need to see the data for myself
    In God we trust; all others bring data. - (with exception for Paolo of course)

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    Grammy, do you have any? I am hoping that you do but not outright expecting it exactly because I am not sure that any official data exists yet
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    Translational Science and Research are so expensive! Why bother? Let's focus on therapies that can languish forever on rodents! That way the research dollars will last a longer time! After all it's all about the research and not about any beneficial results to humans. It's also very important to not lose sight of the importance of taking wild guesses about outcome before understanding a process. If we make enough uneducated prognostications some may come true then we can site these examples as proof of our superiority!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunasicc42 View Post
    Grammy, do you have any?
    I don't know whose work or what he's wanting you to read about. However, it's more than likely already posted in the links available at the SCI Report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAMMY View Post
    I don't know whose work or what he's wanting you to read about. However, it's more than likely already posted in the links available at the SCI Report.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...-of-an-implant

    success in monkeys

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