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    Quote Originally Posted by gmorris View Post
    Wow, you should try crawling out of the 80's...or go to a real chiro. I agree there are chiros that are quacks...just like their are dr's, lawyers and cops that suck but not all of them. The majority of the work they do on me is graston and ART with only minor hip adjustments.

    Before my sci I was a competitive mtn biker and I had a major knee problem. I struggled with it for 2 years of useless dr's and physio's before finally going to a chiro (who happened to treat canadian and us olympic athletes and professional football players). I was at the point I couldn't walk down stairs anymore and after 6 weeks of him working on me I was pain free and stayed that way for 5 years before my accident.
    LOL. Nothing has changed since the 80s. The training is the same. The difference is some lawyers and doctors go to better or worse schools, and always varying degrees of personality and intelligence. All chiropracters get the same quack training. Problem isn't the people, its the 'profession.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen212 View Post
    Strangely, it actually comforts me to hear that you've had a good experience with chiropractic. I did not.

    I was attending chiropractic school, presumably one of the best ones in the country, when I first began experiencing the severe back pain that ultimately ended in my paralysis (from a ruptured arteriovenous malformation). I learned later, and too late, that my symptoms were all red flags. They were also dismissed or misunderstood by all of the faculty I came in contact with. The school professed and taught the necessity of referring those conditions that were beyond the scope of practice yet they did not. Blinkered, tunnel vision is the only explanation for this.

    My vascular malformation, which lay on the posterior aspect of the spinal cord and did not penetrate it, could have been easily excised without neurologic consequence had I been referred while I was symptomatic -- that is, before I was full-on paralyzed.

    I could go on. . .
    Would be vascular malformation have shown up on x-ray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cripwalk View Post
    LOL. Nothing has changed since the 80s. The training is the same. The difference is some lawyers and doctors go to better or worse schools, and always varying degrees of personality and intelligence. All chiropracters get the same quack training. Problem isn't the people, its the 'profession.'
    Wow, you don't even make sense. So there are better and worse schools for everything but chiropractors? I didn't realise there was only one chiro school on earth lol. I guess you had a bad experience and are unable to look past it which I can understand but at least have an intelligent argument to back it up. This isn't worth discussing.

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    I have nothing against chiropractors. I wouldn't let anyone near my spinal cord w/out some visualizing being done. I'd forgotten laser accupuncture was even a thing...I remember ppl used to go to France to get it, there for a while it was supposed to save us all. It didn't. I never heard of it hurting anyone either, so whatevs. A neurologist needs to take the guesswork out of this equation, b/c there are too many variables. Swelling is a huge issue in early sci but a yr. out, without proof...I'm not feeling it. (By proof, I mean an MRI showing swelling.)

    There are simple lab tests for inflammation as mentioned by sci-nurse. Those should be done asap, stat, and probably yesterday.

    If stephen2112 is bitter-and I don't know that he is-I can't blame him. Becoming paralyzed is a heinous outcome when it could have been avoided by some standard medical treatment.

    I had spinal stenosis for eons before I ruptured c5-6. Never knew it until my 1st post-sci mri. So doctors, chiros, everybody missed my neck problems. The only person unsurprised was my mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen212 View Post
    Strangely, it actually comforts me to hear that you've had a good experience with chiropractic. I did not.

    I was attending chiropractic school, presumably one of the best ones in the country, when I first began experiencing the severe back pain that ultimately ended in my paralysis (from a ruptured arteriovenous malformation). I learned later, and too late, that my symptoms were all red flags. They were also dismissed or misunderstood by all of the faculty I came in contact with. The school professed and taught the necessity of referring those conditions that were beyond the scope of practice yet they did not. Blinkered, tunnel vision is the only explanation for this.

    My vascular malformation, which lay on the posterior aspect of the spinal cord and did not penetrate it, could have been easily excised without neurologic consequence had I been referred while I was symptomatic -- that is, before I was full-on paralyzed.

    I could go on. . .
    Wow...just goes to show that everyone's experiences are different. In the 2.5 years that it took for my son to be diagnosed with a spinal tumour (and seeing multiple "specialists" during that time period, including 2 neurologists) a chiropractor was the only one to pinpoint the location of the problem ("around T4", due to the pain that my son was getting in his knees). The other "specialists" varied in their diagnoses, from "brain tumour" to "there is nothing wrong with your son, so stop taking him to all these doctors" and various other ailments which were ultimately inconsequential in comparison to the true cause.

    I used to be sceptical of them (thankfully my wife wasn't), but we continue to be impressed with chiropractors in comparison to others that are available to us.

    I think, like people in all professions, there are good ones and bad ones....
    Gordon, father of son who became t6 paraplegic at the age of 4 in 2007 as a result of surgery to remove a spinal tumour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betheny View Post
    The only person unsurprised was my mother.
    A lesson I learnt some years ago (2007)..."always trust a mother's intuition". Wish I had acknowledged it earlier. It is a message that I try to pass on to new fathers....
    Gordon, father of son who became t6 paraplegic at the age of 4 in 2007 as a result of surgery to remove a spinal tumour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy1 View Post
    A lesson I learnt some years ago (2007)..."always trust a mother's intuition". Wish I had acknowledged it earlier. It is a message that I try to pass on to new fathers....
    As a hyperactive little boy, all I heard my mother yell was 'You'll Break Your Neck!!' She was right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmorris View Post
    Wow, you don't even make sense. So there are better and worse schools for everything but chiropractors? I didn't realise there was only one chiro school on earth lol. I guess you had a bad experience and are unable to look past it which I can understand but at least have an intelligent argument to back it up. This isn't worth discussing.
    Perhaps I was unclear. I'll give you an analogy.

    If a dr. goes to Harvard vs. Minnesota Community College, he/she may have varying degrees of knowledge.

    If a tarot reader is taught by Madame Voodoo or Unkle Craker, they may have differing educations, but that is not where the issue lies in terms of quality of tarot reading.

    Does that make things clearer for you? I also have no particular desire to explain to you or anyone else what makes a quack a quack. Either agree or don't, I simply find the idea my argument is not intelligent laughable, especially coming from someone who believes in practice of chiropractic "medicine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cripwalk View Post
    Perhaps I was unclear. I'll give you an analogy.

    If a dr. goes to Harvard vs. Minnesota Community College, he/she may have varying degrees of knowledge.

    If a tarot reader is taught by Madame Voodoo or Unkle Craker, they may have differing educations, but that is not where the issue lies in terms of quality of tarot reading.

    Does that make things clearer for you? I also have no particular desire to explain to you or anyone else what makes a quack a quack. Either agree or don't, I simply find the idea my argument is not intelligent laughable, especially coming from someone who believes in practice of chiropractic "medicine."
    I watched my wife go through four years of chiropractic college in Toronto on top of her Masters degree. They were the smartest people I know. They were still doing anatomy on cadavers long after U of T stopped using them. Your silly analogy does not hold water.

    If there wasn't such a disconnect between allopathic medicine and chiropractic medicine, they would have greater access to taxpayer-funded diagnostic tools that would reduce catastrophic events. As the old saying goes, doctors bury their mistakes.

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    Never mind, don't care.
    Last edited by gmorris; 02-04-2013 at 12:44 PM.

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