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    Quote Originally Posted by lunasicc42 View Post
    I totally agree. Stephen davies had his own thread and he wasn't even an active member (for whatever reason )
    Huh? Look up the member "Stephen Davies". He posted 107 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipow View Post
    On scar tissue, are there any compounds that are being developed to remove scar tissue?
    Remember Decorin. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorin . It hasn't been too successful to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post


    I see your point, The more reserchers the better. It's just the rat testing doctors, since they think their rat teory is so good that they think its better than the current human trials in china, why havn't they started on human trials yet?? the're 2 years behind allready and still no proof to show for. Instead they come in here to criticise with off topic material talking about how much better their own findings are compared to this one... too much barking but no biting... gets annoying

    All of Dr. Silver's criticisms and questions are legitimate.

    You can't pick one scientist or treatment as better than another just because it is in human trials phase. As of now, there have been no animal studies that have shown regeneration in a chronic injury. Why would you then be calling for human trials? That makes no sense.

    If Dr. Silver is getting good results with his new treatments in 2012, why would you expect it to be in human trials already? It takes many years to prove efficacy and safety before getting approval by the FDA. It could take 5-10 years.

    I'm not advocating Dr. Silver's work but he raises good points that need to be listened to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khmorgan View Post
    Huh? Look up the member "Stephen Davies". He posted 107 times.

    I just meant that jerry posts here alot... And yes davies was here but he hasn't visited in very long. Just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by NowhereMan View Post
    All of Dr. Silver's criticisms and questions are legitimate.

    You can't pick one scientist or treatment as better than another just because it is in human trials phase. As of now, there have been no animal studies that have shown regeneration in a chronic injury. Why would you then be calling for human trials? That makes no sense.

    If Dr. Silver is getting good results with his new treatments in 2012, why would you expect it to be in human trials already? It takes many years to prove efficacy and safety before getting approval by the FDA. It could take 5-10 years.

    I'm not advocating Dr. Silver's work but he raises good points that need to be listened too.
    I can associate a few good points but I don't understand your 2nd paragraph very well. Even if someone gives results they still have to go through trials to get fda aproval, right?

    My point was if Silvers research findings, point of views & critisms are that so good, legit or not, how come he's not as advanced as China to prove all this and get this treatment/'cure' official? he's 2 years behine since 2010... He should concentrate in his work and stop barging here criticising a trail thats going to p3, you can't just change a trial on progress with multiple ideas as it goes along... think realistic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    I can associate a few good points but I don't understand your 2nd paragraph very well. Even if someone gives results they still have to go through trials to get fda aproval, right?

    My point was if Silvers research findings, point of views & critisms are that so good, legit or not, how come he's not as advanced as China to prove all this and get this treatment/'cure' official? he's 2 years behine since 2010... He should concentrate in his work and stop barging here criticising a trail thats going to p3, you can't just change a trial on progress with multiple ideas as it goes along... think realistic...
    Moe I think you're missing a big part of Dr.Youngs clinical trial network is to expedite future potential therapies through the system. I don't think Dr.Young ever thought umbilical cord cells with lithium was the end game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    I can associate a few good points but I don't understand your 2nd paragraph very well. Even if someone gives results they still have to go through trials to get fda aproval, right?


    My point was if Silvers research findings, point of views & critisms are that so good, legit or not, how come he's not as advanced as China to prove all this and get this treatment/'cure' official? he's 2 years behine since 2010... He should concentrate in his work and stop barging here criticising a trail thats going to p3, you can't just change a trial on progress with multiple ideas as it goes along... think realistic...
    No, I'm saying that even if a researcher gets good results in animals it could take 5-10 years of animal experiments just to get FDA approval to START testing it in humans trials.

    From what I've read Dr. Silver says he is not there yet and is making progress. He hasn't had any regeneration of the corticospinal tract (important), nor has he ever mentioned any sensory tract regeneration. You must understand that there are no treatments ready for human trial. There has never been a rat with a complete, chronic injury that has recovered. That is why there is legitimate skepticism in ChinaSci trial.

    Dr. Young is not out there trying to prove that his treatment works. He is trying to see IF umbilical blood cells work or not. It is not even his treatment. We will see how well it works when the results are published. Until then, you can't blindly support the treatment without published results that can also stand up to scientific scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsilver View Post
    The good news is that regeneration (with significant recovery at least of bladder function) is possible at chronic stages when one uses an appropriate combinatorial strategy.
    Oh please let this happen soon! Paralyzed bladders kill ... infection after infection. Shrinkage and erosion. Leaking leading to pressure sores and restricting how much you can laugh, cough or be involved in physical activity. Sepsis and death. If I wasn't just a para, I don't know what I would do to handle it ... honestly I'd be at the end of my rope. I am lucky that I have the function to still be able to transfer in the washroom and take care of everything when there are accidents (worse after a prolapse, hysterectomy and two decades of valsalva/crede).

    My bladder has been the bane of my existence and I've hated it since age 12 when I first went paralyzed ... I've always suspected it would be my endgame. Such a shame too - kidneys that function so well that I have low creatinine yet a crappy bladder that messes up my life!

    A friend who is quadriplegic (25yrs) and I (almost 28yrs now) are both having severe trouble with our bladders and leaking (me with foley now and she with suprapubic leaking around her stoma) ... both female and I suspect when catheters were made that females weren't exactly at the forefront of the design. It is hell. I am really worried it will kill one of us eventually.

    I will break my toes to cross them to get this to work! That desperate! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    ...why havn't they started on human trials yet?? the're 2 years behind already and still no proof to show for ...
    Ampyra/Fampyra took almost 15yrs - perhaps longer - from the patient who died in Switzerland or Sweden when she died of a brain seizure. Fifteen years for an oral pill.

    This is surgery ... unless they can fast-track like the CCSVI people are trying to do with the Liberation treatment ... you see where this could take a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynnifer View Post
    This is surgery ... unless they can fast-track like the CCSVI people are trying to do with the Liberation treatment ... you see where this could take a while.
    What surgery?

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