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    Vetericyn / Microcyn effects on bowels? C Diff...

    Hi guys.. So.. Anyone know how vetericyn / Microcyn effects the bowels? Does it effect intestinal flora if a bladder installation is left for too long? I read a post before about this.. My husband has C-diff - Recurrent - and this is why I ask.
    Our life goes something like :
    UTI, ANTIBIOTICS, C-DIFF , UTI, ANTIBIOTICS, C-DIFF, UTI, ANTIBIOTICS, C-DIFF.......
    I need a way to get rid of the Uti's , but don't want to further interrupt the intestinal flora. Think the Vetericyn will be okay??

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    I am one of a few who have reported having some intestinal distress when I use Vetericyn or Vetericyn VF (VVF) and leave it in the bladder too long. This doesn't happen to everyone. There are several people here who manage their bladders with intermittent catheterization and instill Vetericyn or VVF into the bladder and leave it there until the next time to cath, with no effect on their bowels at all.

    I think Suzanne Lewis, aka Leila, who introduced Vetericyn and VVF to us a few years ago mentioned intestinal distress as a possibility, but said their was no explanation as to why this substance instilled into the bladder could cause bowel problems. There are no membranes between the bowel and bladder that can be crossed and this remains a bit of a mystery.

    I dilute Vetericyn or VVF with sterile saline solution. Diluting Vetericyn or VVF has allowed me to derive the benefits, but not experience bowel distress. I dilute 2 parts VVF to 1 part sterile saline. If you have been using 30cc of VVF, use 20cc of VVF and 10cc of sterile saline (some people prefer sterile water). I leave this mixture in the bladder about 10 minutes and I have had good results, i.e., no colonization, no infections.

    Since your husband is experiencing this unbreakable cycle of recurring urinary tract infections (UTI), it might be time to call in an infectious disease specialist. A few years ago, I was on this merry-go-round and the infectious disease doctor made all the difference in helping break the cycle.

    When your husband has UTI symptoms, how is the UTI diagnosed and bacteria identified? Does he get a urinalysis (UA) and culture & sensitivity (C&S)? When he is prescribed antibiotics does he take a 10 to 14 day course of antibiotics? Does he take a probiotic supplement when he is taking antibiotics. Since he has recurring c.diff, he should be taking a supplement like Florastor. The active ingredient is Saccharomyces boulardii lyo, a non-pathogenic yeast that is not killed off by antibiotics. Florastor has been proven to help prevent recurrent c.diff. You can read more about the use of Florastor and scientific accounts of its use at the following website.
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/105956.php

    All the best,
    GJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacksonsGirl View Post
    Hi guys.. So.. Anyone know how vetericyn / Microcyn effects the bowels? Does it effect intestinal flora if a bladder installation is left for too long? I read a post before about this.. My husband has C-diff - Recurrent - and this is why I ask.
    Our life goes something like :
    UTI, ANTIBIOTICS, C-DIFF , UTI, ANTIBIOTICS, C-DIFF, UTI, ANTIBIOTICS, C-DIFF.......
    I need a way to get rid of the Uti's , but don't want to further interrupt the intestinal flora. Think the Vetericyn will be okay??
    Hello,

    I am one of the people that GJ is referring to. I use VVF 3 times per week. I inject 20 ml into my bladder after cathing and leave it in until I cath again. I don't dilute the VVF but I do have a relatively large bladder. I have never, ever had any side effect except the absence of any utis for the last 28 months.

    Good luck and we'll be listening for your results.

    Millard
    ''Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid!'' -- John Wayne


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    I've also been thinking about trying vetericyn since it seems like I'm always fighting a uti...I have what seems like a stupid question but once you infuse vetericyn how are you getting it back out?
    Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. .(John Wayne)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboys_Place View Post
    I've also been thinking about trying vetericyn since it seems like I'm always fighting a uti...I have what seems like a stupid question but once you infuse vetericyn how are you getting it back out?
    Those of us who have suprapubic catheters instill Vetericyn or Vetericyn VF (VVF) through the suprapubic catheter, plug the catheter, wait for a specified period of time, then unplug the catheter and let the VVF and accumulated urine drain.

    With an intermittent catheter, you can drain urine, then instill VVF, plug the intermittent catheter for a specified period of time, then unplug the catheter, and allow the VVF to drain out, then remove the catheteter. Or, you could try what Milliard and other do, instill VVF after draining your bladder with an intermittent catheter, withdraw the catheter and leave VVF in the bladder to mix with urine and drain the next time you cath.

    All the best,
    GJ

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    I am totally guessing on how the Vetricyn might be effecting the bowel. However, drugs can cross the blood barrier and end up elsewhere. Usually someplace close by. Just a thought.

    CKF

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