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Thread: Fixed Back vs. Folding (Adjustable)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCI_OTR View Post
    The Panthera X currently has only one frame geometry and the only selections on the order form which have an effect on how they will build the chair are it's seat width and rear wheel diameter.

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    That chair was built only for low paras, and the 3" casters is not a problem, just change them for 4" and 559 wheels for don`t change dump.

    I was speaking if that chair fit to you perfectly like if you would like.

    BTW, i`m not a fanatic of weight, but if is good and light two times good

    Panthera X is a excellent wheelchair, very hight quality of frame built, but of course that configuration was made for not much people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazierdog View Post
    I guess I should say that I'm not one of those who look to save every last ounce. I mean I do carry 5 extra pound of gear with me wherever I go.

    Me either, that oval tube in the middle of the seat wasn`t necessary, because is a tube used for sport chairs with more wall tubing that i need for my daily chair, so just changing that tube i would save near .5lbs in the frame, and i`m going to wear 5" softroll casters, so you can see how fanatic i am with weight.
    The weight is one of the most important things in a wheelchair, but of course not the only thing, but againg, is more important our weight than the chair weight.

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    ADI Carbon Fiber back mounting hardware

    We will be getting an ADI Carbon Fiber active contour back (medium) for a ZRA with a folding, adjustable and locking seat back.

    Can anyone give advice on which mounting system we should get: F2-Point Pro or Quick Release?

    We would like it to be adjustable (so not the Fixed Elite). We have tried a Jay Basic back with quick release, but the hardware is really disappointing and moves a lot. We would prefer quick release so it can be removed easily.

    It would be good to hear pro's and con's from those of you with experience.

    Many thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smashms View Post
    i was told if you have a rigid back you would have to take it off to get it to fold to put in car i would love a rigid back as it would be so much more comfortable for me however that extra few minutes to take it off i said no to it.
    Not true...I have a Jet Stream Pro rigi back and I can fold my chair just fine with it on.
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    Does anyone have a picture you can point me to of a TiLite with a folding back and ADI carbon fiber back when it is folded, preferably with swing away - flip back armrests? I'm having a hard time visualizing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elarson View Post
    Does anyone have a picture you can point me to of a TiLite with a folding back and ADI carbon fiber back when it is folded, preferably with swing away - flip back armrests? I'm having a hard time visualizing it.
    I do not utilize arm rests...but I can try taking a picture of my chair tonight...I have a TiLite ZR series 2 with a folding backrest.
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    It's the chair folded with the ADI back that I would like to see, but thanks anyway. I am trying to envision how well it folds for getting it into the car, also with armrests.

    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliecoach View Post
    I do not utilize arm rests...but I can try taking a picture of my chair tonight...I have a TiLite ZR series 2 with a folding backrest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elarson View Post
    It's the chair folded with the ADI back that I would like to see, but thanks anyway. I am trying to envision how well it folds for getting it into the car, also with armrests.
    Ignoring the issue about armrests (as I don't know how that will affect things), different set-ups of any rigid back with a folding seat-back will vary how far forward you can fold the seat-back. (Which is why Wheeliecoach says he can, and smashms says he was advised he couldn't). So there is no definitive answer to your query without knowing exactly how your chair/back will be set up.

    When we got my son his ZRA, we also got two (removable) rigid Jay backs...one relatively high and deep backrest with lateral supports for normal use, and one lower backrest with no laterals for when he plays sport at school. With the lower backrest the seat-back could fold fairly far forward; with the high backrest the seat-back could only fold forwards a small amount (due to the relatively deep/wide size of the backrest to support his hips, close to the seat-back hinge). So generally we would remove the high backrest if we needed to fold the seat-back.

    Since my son has grown more, and changed to an icon, we have moved the same high Jay backrest further up the canes. Now the backrest can fold further towards the seat, so we rarely remove the backrest at all now (and the lower backrest has not been used for a long time...).

    Some rigid backs (I dont know if ADI is one) can also be set up with the mounting hardware reversed (ie can be set up so that the back attaches either in front of the canes, or behind). Again, without knowing what set-up you will want, it is not possible to know which way will suit you best, and the subsequent knock-on effect on the backrest folding.

    The other thing that affects how far forward you can fold the back is the seat cushion. If you've got a cushion that is easily removable, then that shouldn't be a problem, but if you've got a thick cushion that is very well velcroed on (as in our case), then that's another thing to add to the list of things to do when folding the back.

    We are currently looking for a new backrest for my son, including laterals. It's not an easy task, as there are so many variables. Given that we've not needed to remove the backrest in ages, I'm tempted to choose a fixed rigid back (as the hardware is lighter). BUT, depending on the choice of rigid back, we may find that the seat back won't fold forward as much, and then we will regret not having a removable back.... My advise to you would be to try before you buy, but I think you have the same problem as we do in Australia, in that these things aren't just hanging around on shop shelves, and are imported specifically for your order....
    Gordon, father of son who became t6 paraplegic at the age of 4 in 2007 as a result of surgery to remove a spinal tumour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elarson View Post
    It's the chair folded with the ADI back that I would like to see, but thanks anyway. I am trying to envision how well it folds for getting it into the car, also with armrests.
    SCI-OTR's post a couple of months back may be what you are looking for:
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    You are absolutely right Gordy, where we live they do not do demo's and we have to order sight unseen. I'm having a hard time even getting a seating specialist, let alone a back specialist (unfunded). Worse yet is that it's often difficult to return something if it does not work.

    From what I can surmise from many searches about the ADI active back (low contour) and TiLite, I am hoping we will be okay. We are opting towards the quick release for the ADI back, because then we should be safe either way. We are also getting a hard pan seat with a cushion that is easily removed, so I hope we have things covered either way.

    Thanks for your input, because it all helps...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy1 View Post
    ... My advise to you would be to try before you buy, but I think you have the same problem as we do in Australia, in that these things aren't just hanging around on shop shelves, and are imported specifically for your order....
    Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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