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    I had a spot come back several years ago to the lower left of my navel. In the summer of 2010 when I was waiting for my hysterectomy, I had another little bit come back in the same spot. To the right of my navel, nothing. To the left, I can feel.

    It's not functional or anything ... but I can feel it. It itched like mad all the time! The first time it was so subtle that I didn't clue in for months until I realized I was scratching a spot I could now feel.

    27yrs on July 29th and I would consider myself Asia A, though they didn't have such testing three decades ago.
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    I've been told by a few goodly folks that all it requires is to accept Jesus as my savior. Haven't tried it yet, but if I ever do ( not) I'll be sure to report back here. I guess no one with paralysis truly believes...hmmm
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    LOL .. I'm as atheist as they come.

    I have a theory about pain stimulation ... but I'm no scientist.
    Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

    T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynnifer View Post
    I had a spot come back several years ago to the lower left of my navel. In the summer of 2010 when I was waiting for my hysterectomy, I had another little bit come back in the same spot. To the right of my navel, nothing. To the left, I can feel.

    It's not functional or anything ... but I can feel it. It itched like mad all the time! The first time it was so subtle that I didn't clue in for months until I realized I was scratching a spot I could now feel.
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    interesting that you say that. i had a "spot" in my back below injury that i swear i could feel after i stood up in my standing frame one day. then it went away about 5 minutes after i sat back down. ive tried it again and again to see if it would happen again and nothing. but ever sense, ive noticed more and more so called "phantom" feelings in my lower legs.
    idk if its anything at all or just in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynnifer View Post
    LOL .. I'm as atheist as they come.

    I have a theory about pain stimulation ... but I'm no scientist.
    I was emancipated bout 3 years ago after riding the agnostic wagon for a while. freedom from religion feels great. it always made me angry when i heard my injury was "gods will" and that my injury occurred because god had other plans for me, lol. being an astronomy enthusiast i believe that we arent the only intelligent lifeform in this vast universe, hope its proven before i die, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Young View Post
    Most people recover some function from spinal cord injury. If you have "incomplete" spinal cord injury, i.e. ASIA B or C during the first days after injury, you have about a 40% and 90% chance of recovering unassisted locomotion within a year. If you have ASIA A, you have a high probability of getting sensory recovery for at least 2 dermatomes below the injury site within a year and many people have even more sensory recovery. For example, Christopher Reeve recovered sensation down to his knees and it took several years. Most people recover at least one and perhaps two segmental levels of motor function below the injury site. At the present, over 60% of people who are hospitalized for spinal cord injury in the United States have "incomplete" spinal cord injuries. Furthermore, since 1991, methylprednisolone has been used and our trials show that people who get the drug recover on average about 20% more motor and sensory function than those who don't get the drug. This usually translates into 2-3 segments more recovery. In other words, a large majority of people, probably 70-80%, recover significant function from spinal cord injury. Very few people recover nothing.

    The more severe the injury, the longer it takes for recovery to occur. Of course, less recovery occurs. One question that I frequently get is whether intensive locomotor training will yield walking recovery in people with chronic spinal cord injury. Many groups have studied this question and I think that there is general agreement in the literature that recovery of unassisted locomotion in people who are chronic ASIA A is rare, even if they engage in intensive locomotor training. On the other hand, a majority of people who were ASIA C shortly after injury but did not engage in locomotor training and did not walk after injury should improve their walking from locomotor training. In the mid-1990's, Wernig [1] showed that 76% of such people recovered "independent" locomotion from treadmill training.

    An unanswered and controversial question is how much and what kind of locomotor training is necessary and sufficient to improve walking. There has been much interest in weight-supported automatic walking, using machines like a Locomat but little evidence suggest that these devices are better than overground walking. Because weight-support harnesses cannot be applied for longer than an hour because it may cause pressure sores, most such training are limited in time.

    Recovery of voluntary manual strength and dexterity is usually limited after ASIA A injuries. Partial recovery of biceps (C5) and wrist extensors (C6) can occur after ASIA A injuries at C4. Predictors of such recovery include recovery of pinprick sensation in the fingers. If you look at the sensory dermatomes for the hand, you will find that C6 represents the thumb, C7 the middle finger, and C8 the pinky. Recovery of pinprick sensation in these fingers often heralds motor recovery of the wrist extensors (C6), triceps (C7), and finger flexors (C8).

    Wise.

    1. Wernig A, Muller S, Nanassy A and Cagol E (1995). Laufband therapy based on 'rules of spinal locomotion' is effective in spinal cord injured persons. Eur J Neurosci 7: 823-9. Department of Physiology, University of Bonn, Germany. Rehabilitation of locomotion in spinal cord (s.c.) injured patients is unsatisfactory. Here we report the effects of a novel 'Laufband (LB; treadmill) therapy' based on 'rules of spinal locomotion' derived from lower vertebrates. Eighty-nine incompletely paralysed (44 chronic and 45 acute) para- and tetraplegics underwent this therapy, then were compared with 64 patients (24 chronic and 40 acute) treated conventionally. The programme consisted of daily upright walking on a motor driven LB initially with body weight support (BWS) provided by a harness and assisted limb movements by the therapists when necessary. Forty-four chronic patients with different degrees of paralysis undertook the programme for 3-20 weeks (median = 10.5), 0.5-18 years after s.c. damage. At the onset of LB therapy 33/44 patients were wheelchair-bound (no standing and/or walking without help by others) whereas at the end of therapy 25 patients (76%) had learned to walk independently, 7 patients with help [corrected]. Only 1 subject did not improve. It was striking that voluntary muscle activity in the resting position was still low in several patients who had gained walking capability. Eleven patients who could already walk before LB therapy improved in speed and endurance. Of the 44 patients, six were capable of staircase walking before LB therapy compared with 34 afterwards. In order to validate the apparent superiority of LB therapy two types of comparisons were performed. In a 'temporal' control 12 spastic paretic patients, still wheelchair-bound after the period of postacute conventional therapy, performed LB immediately thereafter. After completion of LB therapy nine of these patients had learned to walk without help from others.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).

    Thanks for such a detailed response!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ineedmyelin View Post
    freedom from religion feels great
    Not wishing to change the subject, but I definitely concur.
    Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

    T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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    NL or I may have recounted this story before...if so, pardon the repetition. Not long after I was injured, my mother recounted to NL a piece she had read in the Reader's Digest. The story was about a man (I don't recall, para/quadriplegic) in Hawaii who lived with his wife in their home. One night, the home caught on fire and the man arose from his chair and ran into the house to rescue his wife. Now, there are many of you who think that I am a bit of a flame thrower, but NL is as blunt as it is to be blunt. She looked steely eyed at my mother and asked her, do you think if I set our house on fire, GJ will rise out of his chair and rescue me....ah...yah!!!

    Spontaneous healing...I need a big time explanation of the original injury.'

    All the best,
    GJ

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    Spontaneous = Possibilities are there but to what degree of Recovery ?
    hmmmmmm
    So far in my case nothing phenominal has happened as long as I can think back but I am not optimistic as I do hold strong on Hope .
    I live on Hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TiRods View Post
    Frank Reynolds went in for spinal surgery and came out paralyzed. He was not in an accident so there was probably no "major" trauma to his spinal cord. This may be why he recovered walking.
    In all fairness, I was not in an accident, and the skeleton of the spine was not disrupted. I never had anything worse in my life than very occasional sciatica, which was not debilitating. After resuming yoga, I was never bothered again. The killer was an interruption to the SC blood supply. So what is the relevance of "major trauma"?
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