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    Instead of actually trying to walk y doesn't anyone use a crutch like a broken leg type of situation and just use the legs as a balancing point?

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    @foton,

    What muscles do you have working at a T12? Glutes, hip flexors, quads?

    I recently got my KAFOs and have started using them with a walker. I am a T11 complete and I kind of hip-hitch to walk as I do not have hip flexors.

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    Eric.S,
    "So is t-6 to high for braces and crutches? "
    I think yes, but do not get discouraged. This is why I suggested to go to your doctor. Any of us with the same level of SCI behaves differently. Maybe you can accomodate. You never now. The problem is you might hurt yourself more just by trying to use them. Joints of your hands and arms will tale a lot of punishment. This is the type which they were not designed for. You might try RGO and/or stands control devices.

    @2TiRods,
    I am T12/L1 complete. I am unable to move (lift) or bend my legs. I use combination of my stomach/hands muscles to lift my body and move my legs in front of me. Something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiMh3nArh0
    This is the 'old fashioned" way, but it works for me. But, remember never try to rush walking with them. My walk is slow and I do not take a long throws of my legs. This is to not overload joints of my arms. I still have a good trunk balance which let me not to put entire weight of my body on arms. If you think to wear them us myself, everyday, pay attention to KAFOs weight. I just got a new pair slightly lighter than my previous ones. They are hybrid; mix of plastic and carbon fibre.

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    It's true that you won't be able to functionally walk with KAFOs and crutches at T6 - and it is a ton of work. But it is great exercise, and you get the benefits of standing. But as NW-Will said, you will need someone around for safety... The good thing about these is you should be able to try some prior to getting your own at a rehab center.

    RGOs still take work, but are easier. They are quite a bit more expensive, and because they are custom made, you can't try them before getting them.

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    Eric,
    This is another Eric who is T6 complete. You have an example what you can deal with:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKw3wH7Cyxw

    As you see there is a little bit of work to become independent with braces. RGOs are expensive, but they give more support and probably you can function independently by wearing them.
    This guy is T4:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQhS...eature=related
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    @2TiRods,
    If you need comfortable and light shoes for your braces P.W. Manor has nice collection. I have these:
    http://www.pwminor.com/Products/Detail/?ProductID=132

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    Quote Originally Posted by foton View Post
    @2TiRods,
    I am T12/L1 complete. I am unable to move (lift) or bend my legs. I use combination of my stomach/hands muscles to lift my body and move my legs in front of me. Something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiMh3nArh0
    This is the 'old fashioned" way, but it works for me. But, remember never try to rush walking with them. My walk is slow and I do not take a long throws of my legs. This is to not overload joints of my arms. I still have a good trunk balance which let me not to put entire weight of my body on arms. If you think to wear them us myself, everyday, pay attention to KAFOs weight. I just got a new pair slightly lighter than my previous ones. They are hybrid; mix of plastic and carbon fibre.
    is the movement in the video not possible with a t-6? And why?

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    Eric_s,
    You might do that. Do you have any abdominal muscle control? This is what I use to swing-through. Even if it is partial.
    What you might benefit from are not KAFOs but HKAFOs. The HKAFOs would give you more upper body support.
    But, again I am not a specialist. It looks like you are determined to walk. This is good. I think any way to stand up is good for you and if you can, go for it. But, you need to talk to your neurologist who would recommend rehab specialist for your evaluation. You need perscription for braces anyway. Rehab specialist will evaluate you and your ability to walk. This is the best for you.
    Besides, you will have a lot of motivation to get fit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW-Will View Post
    I'm T4, no trunk control, no hip flexors... I tried KAFO's waste of time and energy and gave me a whole slew of bad habits, plus completely non-functional.

    I moved onto RGO's, if you're motivated and want to stand and hobble around, they seem the best solution$$$ I've come across.

    One of the advantages over KAFO's I can stand and rest, take as
    many steps as I want rest etc. With no help from anyone else.
    KAFO's I always had to have someone ready to brace me when I
    wanted to rest.

    An old thread with a couple of old youtube videos for comparisons.

    http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthread.php?t=156658
    Hi NW Will,
    I was wondering if you gotten to the point of not having anyone be present for you to be able to use your RGO'S and how much progress have you made with them since your YOU TUBE videos in an old post I looked at from some time last year in 2011? Hope you don't mind me asking how did you get hurt and did you rehab in the big hospital in Seattle? I can't think of the name of it at the moment. You might know the name of the hospital I'm talking about. I was just out your way last year from December 15, 2011 to January 4, 2012. I was invited out for the holidays by a high school friend who lives in Gig Harbor Washington south of Seattle. Had a nice time. I had a very very embarassing situation my first night in my friends house my colostomy bag got over filled and came unglued from my belly and went all over one part of the mattress and on the carpeting in the room I was sleeping in basement of his place. I thought I was going to die the next day when I had to tell my friend what happened. I had never been to his house before.
    Hope you will send me a reply and if you do please send it to my e-mail address as my inbox on here is pretty full My e-mail addy is : shawroberta5@yahoo.com
    Hope to hear back from you soon letting me know how your doing and how much progress you've made so far using your RGO.

    Take Care !

    Your Fellow Leg Bracing Buddy & Cure Care Member,
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    aka bob s.
    spring hill, fla .

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    Quote Originally Posted by foton View Post
    Eric_s,
    You might do that. Do you have any abdominal muscle control? This is what I use to swing-through. Even if it is partial.
    What you might benefit from are not KAFOs but HKAFOs. The HKAFOs would give you more upper body support.
    But, again I am not a specialist. It looks like you are determined to walk. This is good. I think any way to stand up is good for you and if you can, go for it. But, you need to talk to your neurologist who would recommend rehab specialist for your evaluation. You need perscription for braces anyway. Rehab specialist will evaluate you and your ability to walk. This is the best for you.
    Besides, you will have a lot of motivation to get fit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I have some trunk control and am pretty good with assisted sit ups (holding a bar or something for extra leverage up). one thing i came to realize (as ive never broken my leg or needed crutches in the past) is that people who are on crutches actually use there good leg to help propel them forward. being disabled we dont have that ability so crutches are very different for us. i really want to be able to stand atleast for a short period.

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