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  1. #21
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    I think it's just the people who have the dogs have raised them to be aggressive dogs. Instead of correcting them the right way when they do something wrong they probably hit them. They're also probably left outside a lot and neglected and not exercised a lot, which could be why when they see you or anyone else they are pulling superhard to see you.

    On a side note, just because a pit bull is pulling hard to see you or anyone else doesn't mean that they are going to bite you. I have a pit bull that I rescued from a shelter in Philadelphia a year and a half ago. She was left outside her whole life and very neglected. She's never shown any signs of aggression, but she loves to meet people. So, when she sees people see likes to go up to them because she wants them to pet her. Fortunately she is not strong enough to pull my power wheelchair which I hook her up to. I've done a lot of training with her over the last year and got her to pastor canine good Citizen test. Her next test is her therapy dog test which she should pass, and if I could get her to pick up things I know she could be a therapy dog, but I don't think that she understands picking up things.

    But if you live in a bad neighborhood, with gang members, odds are they are not going to have nice dogs… So just try to keep your distance or go on the opposite side of the street and try to stay safe.

    Here is a picture of ChicaAttachment 43893

  2. #22
    Nice dog... ANd thanks for rescuing her.

    This is bulky, but an effective option is wasp spray. It shoots further than the pepper spray and doesn't risk getting it on you as much.
    If you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.

    Sometimes it is easier to widen doors than it is to open minds.

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    Oh my god, that is such a beautiful dog! What a lucky one too! best pic!
    "The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.” ~Carlos Castaneda

  4. #24
    I love dogs and I have three. I will never drive past an abandoned dog and not rescue him, even pit bulls. This being said, not all pit bulls, but most pit bulls do have the "aggression gene. " Most deaths are caused by pit bulls. The pit bull was bred to fight and never let go of prey until dead. Of course, bad owners do compound the problem. Yes, many other dogs of other breeds bite. But I would never, ever, bring my guard down with a pit bull.

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    WARNING Very graphic

    If anybody is interested, this article has HORRENDOUS autopsy pictures (which I am not posting)
    To the OP: Protect your NECK and HEAD


    Pitbull Mauling Deaths in Detroit
    Cheryl L. Loewe, MD, Francisco J. Diaz, MD, and John Bechinski, DO
    Between the years 1987 and 2005, there were 6 deaths
    reported in Wayne County, Michigan, associated with pitbull dog
    attacks. This article discusses the age incidence, scene investigation,
    nature of the injuries, and discussion relative to fatal dog attacks, an
    unusual accidental type of death.

    Key Words:
    mauling, pitbull, fatal dog bite
    Am J Forensic Med Pathol 2007;28: 356–360)

    he following 6 cases from the Wayne County Medical
    Examiner’s Office in Detroit, Michigan, involve accidental
    blunt force injuries sustained in fatal pitbull dog attacks.
    The findings seen at autopsy, in general, consist of multiple
    lacerations, sets of puncture wounds, and extensive scalp
    avulsions, primarily sustained to the head and neck region of
    the body, which result in extensive mutilating injuries to the
    body and death results from exsanguination. There is a
    tendency for these animals to attack the neck region and
    destroy the blood vessels of the neck and cause extensive
    avulsions of the scalp and ears. In the majority of the cases,
    the victims were children or elderly. Four of the victims were
    children (age range 2 months to 6 years), 1 victim was a
    middle-aged adult (age 44), and 1 victim was an elderly adult
    (age 91). Three of the victims were male and 3 of the victims
    were female. Three of the victims were white and 3 of the
    victims were black.

    The following 6 cases of death caused by pitbull mauling
    are presented, which were all investigated and autopsied
    between the years 1987 and 2005 at the Office of the Wayne
    County Medical Examiner, Detroit, Michigan. A thorough
    scene investigation and a complete autopsy with documentation
    of external and internal injuries were performed in all
    cases. Complete toxicological screening was performed on all
    cases. In some cases, the animal(s) involved in the attack
    were shot and the gastric contents were recovered from the
    dead animal. The cases will be discussed in sequence in an
    order according to increasing age.
    Case 1
    A 2-month old white male infant was found decapitated
    on the living room floor. A 12-year-old sibling was
    sleeping on the sofa in the same room and awoke because
    the baby was crying. The infant was attacked by the family
    pitbull, who was previously stray and recently acquired by
    the family. Autopsy revealed decapitation with bite marks
    surrounding the ragged tissue margins on the neck. The
    dog was destroyed and examination of the gastric contents
    revealed multiple fragments of bone, skin and soft tissue,
    the nose, 1 globe, and both ears of the infant. Toxicology
    was negative (Figs. 1A and 1B—ref. case 9589-87—black
    and white photographs).
    Case 2
    A 1-year-old white male child was placed on the
    kitchen floor by his 54-year-old grandmother, who was babysitting
    the child. The grandmother stepped out of the room
    momentarily and returned to find the child being attacked by
    the family pitbull. The salient autopsy findings include multiple
    lacerations and sets of puncture wounds to the face,
    neck, and arms. Extensive scalp and facial avulsions were
    also present. Internally, there was a puncture wound to the
    right internal jugular vein. The animal forcefully attacked
    the neck region of the body, causing fracture dislocation of
    the vertebral spine at the level of C7–T1. There were also
    punctures, lacerations, and crushing injury to the larynx.
    Toxicology was negative (Figs. 2A, 2B, 2C, and 2D—ref.
    case 04-3275—images 11, 19, 21, and 28).
    Case 3
    A 1-year-old male child was attacked while playing in
    the front yard of his home by 2 pitbull dogs who were
    roaming the streets freely. The mother had stepped inside the
    home briefly to answer the telephone and saw her son being
    attacked through the window.
    Autopsy revealed a large gaping hole in the right side of
    the neck with numerous puncture wounds to the right main
    carotid and right jugular vein, the esophagus, and trachea.
    The entire back was covered by scratch marks and puncture
    wounds. Multiple lacerations were present on the face, the
    chest, and the groins. Toxicology was negative (Fig. 3—ref.
    case 93-8688—kodachrome).
    Manuscript received January 30, 2006; accepted June 28, 2006.
    From the Office of the Wayne County Medical Examiner, Detroit, Michigan.
    Reprints: Cheryl L. Loewe, MD, Office of the Wayne County Medical
    Examiner, 1300 E. Warren, Detroit, MI 48207. E-mail: cloewe@co.
    Copyright © 2007 by Lippincott Williams & Wilkins
    ISSN: 0195-7910/07/2804-0356
    DOI: 10.1097/PAF.0b013e31815b4c19
    The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology • Volume 28, Number 4, December 2007

    Case 4
    A 6-year-old black female child was walking to
    school in an alley adjacent to her backyard. The family was
    in the process of moving to a nearby neighborhood and the
    2 family pitbulls had just been set free after being locked
    up in the basement before the incident. The child grew up
    with these 2 pitbull dogs. Both dogs, who were roaming
    loose in the backyard, attacked the child in the alley and
    dragged her into the backyard of the dwelling. The child’s
    pantyhose and skirt were pulled down below the knees.
    The mother of the child attempted to pull the dogs off of
    her daughter and called her husband for assistance. The
    police arrived and shot the dogs. The child was accidentally
    shot by police gunfire in the back of the knee.
    Autopsy examination revealed numerous lacerations, puncture
    wounds, and avulsions to the face and neck, 67 in total.
    Brush burn abrasions consistent with drag marks were also
    present. Neck dissection disclosed complete transection of the
    left common carotid artery. In addition, there were multiple
    skull and facial fractures with evidence of blood
    aspiration in the lungs. Multiple fragments of skull bone
    were absent and/or separately received with the body,
    including the left orbit and the left maxilla. A superficial
    gunshot entrance wound involving soft tissue was also
    demonstrated on the back of the right knee and a bullet
    was recovered from the wound track. Toxicology was
    negative (Figs. 4A and 4B—ref. case 3365-05—images 5
    and 15).
    FIGURE 1.
    A, Partially reconstructed face recovered from
    dog stomach. B, Decapitation.

    FIGURE 2.
    A, Lacerations: Face, neck, and back. B, Perforation
    neck blood vessels. C, Puncture wounds on larynx. D,
    Fracture of vertebral spine.

    The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology
    • Volume 28, Number 4, December 2007 Pitbull Mauling Deaths

    © 2007 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins

    Case 5
    A 44-year-old black woman was attacked by 2 pitbulls
    who resided at an occupied dwelling while walking down the
    street. The subject was observed laying on the ground and 1
    dog was attacking the neck region of the victim, while the
    other dog was attacking her lower back. A citizen notified the
    police who arrived and shot the animals with their service
    weapons. Autopsy revealed multiple clusters of abrasions,
    deep lacerations, and puncture wounds distributed over the
    face, the front and back of the neck the arms, the lower back,
    and the legs. There was complete avulsion of the left ear and
    partial avulsion of the right ear. Extensive scalp avulsions
    were also noted. There was complete transection of the left
    brachial artery, the left basillic vein, and the right common
    carotid artery. There was a bone defect in the T1 vertebra and
    dislocation of the first right rib. Toxicology revealed a postmortem
    blood ethanol of 0.11 g/dL (no figures available).
    Case 6
    A 91-year-old black woman was attacked by her own
    family pitbull dog at home. The autopsy revealed multiple
    extensive scalp avulsions, 1 measuring 5 inches in diameter
    on the back of the head with exposure of the calvarium and
    deep undermining pockets of subgaleal hemorrhage. Numerous
    lacerations were present on the eyes, both cheeks, the
    mouth, the lower face, the left upper neck, both ears, and the
    left side of the head. Many paired puncture wounds were
    noted consistent with animal teeth. Two of the lacerations on
    the face were deep and associated with absence of the lip,
    skin, facial muscle and soft tissue, right maxilla, and zygoma,
    resulting in exposure of the sinuses and oropharyngeal cavity.
    A closed right hip fracture was present. Internal examination
    revealed pale, bloodless viscera, blood aspiration in both
    lungs and comminuted fracture of the bilateral zygoma,
    bilateral maxillary bones, the palatine bone, and the right
    mandible with loss of several upper and lower teeth and
    laceration of the tongue. Toxicology was negative (Figs. 5A
    and 5B—ref. case 05-11440—images 14 and 4).
    These cases presented demonstrate rather dramatic mutilating
    injuries sustained to the human body after pitbull
    attack. The common trend in the observable injuries include
    injury to the blood vessels and/or organs of the neck in all of
    the cases, resulting in exsanguination. Extensive scalp avulsions
    were also observed in most of the cases and the portion
    of avulsed scalp is unattached to the head and likely eaten by
    the animal. The patterned sets of puncture marks are another
    consistent finding compatible with the dentition of the animal
    (Fig. 6A—ref kodachrome—dog mouth—ref. case 93-8688).
    Scratch marks were noted in some cases and a comparison of
    these patterned injuries are consistent with the animal claws
    that inflicted them (Fig. 6B—ref. case 93-8688—dog paw).
    In 2 of the cases, the animal attacked forcefully enough to
    fracture and/or separate the vertebral spine. Complete decapitation
    injury was present in 1 case and the gastric contents
    recovered from the animal confirm that the soft tissue and
    bone are eaten by the animal. In half of the cases, there were
    fractures of the facial bones and/or calvarium. Avulsions or
    partial avulsions of the ears was another common finding.
    The majority (67%) of the victims were small children, those
    least likely to protect themselves. The same reasoning can
    apply to elderly victims.
    The head and neck region of the child was at the level
    of the dogs teeth, making these anatomic regions more
    accessible to the dog during attack. Of the dog-mauling
    deaths of neonates in the literature, all occurred on the dog
    FIGURE 3.
    Lacerations and abrasions, neck and back.

    FIGURE 4.
    A, Lacerations, face. B, Gunshot wound on the leg.

    Loewe and Diaz
    The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology
    • Volume 28, Number 4, December 2007

    © 2007 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins

    owner’s property and involved 1 dog and a sleeping child.
    Few people are aware that some dogs view infants as potential

    One study of fatal dog attacks in the United States
    showed that the pitbull breed was determined to be the most
    frequent (41.6%) dog breed implicated in human attacks.

    Pitbull terriers, German Shepherds and Rottweilers are the
    breeds most often involved in fatal attacks, 70% are committed
    by a pet dog within the owner’s yard or its proximity, and
    most dogs involved in biting or attacking are known to the
    victim or the victim’s family.
    2 People may behave differently
    toward their own dogs than toward stray dogs and this may
    explain this difference. Surprisingly, stray dogs are usually
    involved in attacks of a more innocent nature and bites
    typically occur on the hands and legs as opposed to the head
    and neck.
    3 In general, fatalities due to dog bites are rare. In 1
    study, from 1979 to 1998, 238 deaths were reported in the
    United States.
    4 While the sex of the pitbull involved in these
    fatal attacks was unrecorded, in general, male dogs, especially
    the non-neutered, bite more frequently.
    1 Younger dogs
    also tend to bite more often, with dogs aged 6 to 11 months
    having the highest bite rate.
    3 Dogs acting in a pack are far
    more dangerous than the same animal individually, and in
    this study 2 of the cases involved more than 1 dog.
    Dogs have 42 teeth, 20 in the upper jaw and 22 in the
    lower jaw. The canine masseter-pterygoid complex is short
    and strong and its insertion on the mandible provides a
    powerful mechanical advantage.
    5 Many of the canines involved
    in dog attacks can generate up to 1800 pounds of force
    per square inch with a bite,
    6 which is enough force to
    penetrate sheet metal, so it is reasonable to see how there is
    enough force to snap the vertebral spine or fracture the skull,
    as demonstrated in this series of cases.
    The majority of reported dog attacks seem to happen
    when the dog is “unprovoked,” meaning that both parents and
    children failed to see what their behavior meant to their dog.

    Different types of aggression leading to attacks in
    different circumstances can be distinguished, for example,
    dominance aggression when the dog challenges a member of
    the “family pack” such as a new baby, protective aggression
    when the victim is regarded as a threat to the family, possessive
    aggression toward a victim that invades the dog’s territory
    or attempts to move an item “possessed” by the dog such
    as food or toys.
    8 Some of the aggressive reactions of a dog
    relate to genetically controlled breed characteristics, namely
    the Pitbull and Rottweiler breeds, and some communities
    have enacted breed-specific restrictions or bans.
    4 Aggression
    can, however, be equally be derived from environmental
    circumstances and learning. In the inner city, quite often the
    pitbull breed is acquired for purposes of protection, guarding,
    and even fighting so that these dogs are obligated or duty
    bound to behave aggressively.
    9 Also, pain and fear, especially

    FIGURE 5.
    A, Lacerations, face. B, Avulsion, scalp. FIGURE 6. A, Pitbull jaw-teeth. B, Pitbull paw.

    The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology
    • Volume 28, Number 4, December 2007 Pitbull Mauling Deaths

    © 2007 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins

    in dogs that have been maltreated, can provoke aggressive
    Victims of dog bites can be found completely undressed
    or partially undressed, which may erroneously suggest
    a sexual assault rather than a dog bite setting
    10 and the
    6-year-old child described in case 4 of this series serves as an

    The authors acknowledge that this series of fatal dogmauling
    deaths represent a small sample of cases, but fortunately
    dog-mauling deaths are rare in our society. Sadly, they
    affect mostly small children, are unprovoked and are often
    caused by the family pet rather than the stray dog roaming the
    The salient injuries observed include blunt force injuries
    consisting of lacerations and puncture wounds primarily
    involving the head and neck and avulsions of scalp which
    result in exsanguination. The forces exerted by the animal
    may be strong enough to snap the vertebral spine, fracture the
    skull, or even cause decapitation.
    The pitbulls aggressiveness may be a combination of
    genetic based aggressiveness coupled with inner city environmental
    factors in that these animals are quite often trained
    to protect, fight, and guard and are therefore duty-bound to
    behave aggressively. The younger, male, non-neutered pitbull
    is at greater risk of attacking.
    Criminal charges and convictions of owner(s) of a dog
    involved in a fatal attack are reported, and the majority of the
    offenses were based on reckless disregard for another individuals’
    9 The majority of the convictions ranged from
    involuntary manslaughter or criminal recklessness to even
    murder, second degree.

    Finally, the dog-bite prevention recommendations
    stated by the CDC include adequate owner and public education
    through veterinarians and the public schools, animal
    control at the community level, and accurate surveillance of
    reported dog bites.

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    Loewe and Diaz
    The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology
    • Volume 28, Number 4, December 2007

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    I wonder how accurate it is to make generalizations about "pit bulls"? The dogs that resemble the pitbull type that are flooding shelters have undoubtedly been either consciously or unconsciously selected for behaviors that modern breeders wouldn't find desirable, like aggression towards humans.

    My understanding is that responsible pit bull breeders have zero tolerance towards human aggression behavior, but that the breeds that are lumped together as pit bulls have been selected for animal aggression.
    Last edited by Wesley; 02-25-2012 at 04:25 PM.

  7. #27
    Human ignorance is a poor judge of character... and temperament and breed

    What we typically perceive as Aggression in dogs is often simply fear, anxiety and stress. We tend to anthropomorphise dogs, which may serve our own psyche, but it really doesn't serve the dogs, no matter the human intention or the 'love' held for their dogs. Doing so can harm the dogs, even exacerbating whatever the perceived problem may be.

    (On a different but related note, we even see this when owners think they're "spoiling" and "loving" their dog (or child, for that matter) with food and/or no discipline, they are actually hurting them, sometimes sending them to an early grave).

    Anyway, this is a good episode of the Dog Whisperer: Most Aggressive Breeds

    Watch the whole ep., but the portion on Rotts is up first

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    Good God I can't believe the patience and expense that people are willing to put forth for these dogs! I hope they find fulfillment and meaning in their efforts.

    I guess it's pragmatic farmer in me that says destroy the red zone dogs and rescue the dogs that have more pet quality temperaments.

    I just wish there was some practical way to keep people from creating and abusing these demanding dog breeds like the pitbull. Of course, the really sad thing about aggressive breeds is that they are being created by and for people who are themselves frightened and aggressive.

    actually, I guess aggressive is not a accurate term for behavior. In that video, the one trainer described the German Shepherd as having a very highly developed predator instinct. Many of these breeds are just too demanding for the average person.

    I know our Australian shepherds would be a handful if they didn't have an active, stimulating environment. They start bouncing off the walls when they don't have something to do.
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    From a small cabin in the big woods of The Allegheny National Forest, PA
    I have been reading up on protective sprays. Bear spray is emited in a cloud which the bear runs into. This may blow back. I think the law enforcement type that is a stream would work better unless your a high quad, then your screwed. Both require fingers that work.

    All my life, before SCI, I use to run a fast 2 miles, 3 or 4 days a week. Required to pass wildland firefighter test and keep in excelent shape. Benn chased by everything but few actually want to catch you. Exceptions are bitbulls, dobeys and a few german shepards. When I stoped and spoke quietly, most of the time the shepards and dobys chilled, not the pitbulls. When they became popular in the hood, it required I carry a club.
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    I must be a survivalist. When a dog attacks, I don't see how one can reason
    with it. At that point, it's too late for coffee with its owner. The next victim could be a child. Should a dog choose to attack me, (because I will not provoke it) that day is its last.
    And the truth shall set you free.

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