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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Type Français View Post
    Why was he an idiot? He helped suffering people end their suffering by doing what they wanted to do.
    a great deal of the ppl he "helped" weren't ill or in pain. i don't want to start this up again. just do some research. he liked to watch ppl die, imo.

  2. #12
    I have awfull also . Enough so I have suicide , not sucessfull , I know next time though I will be . I believe your guys pain is worse than mine . Why not just kill yourself ? Seriously , its never going to get any better , shit we all know this . I know next time when I have had enough i am gone . Very sad , but no alternative .

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    a great deal of the ppl he "helped" weren't ill or in pain. i don't want to start this up again. just do some research. he liked to watch ppl die, imo.
    Glad you said "imo."

    IMO, he did a service for those who could no longer manage life. I doubt that he liked to see people die, those he did let go had extensive sessions with psychologists to determine why they wanted to go. It wasn't just him that made the decision. I have read several case histories and several women who left had the blessings of their husbands and grown kids. Maybe what was his compassion that was mistaken for his pleasure?

    Why in heavens name would anyone want to deny a persons choice of how they want to leave life? The laws will eventually change in the US.

    I watched Frontline: The Suicide Tourist last night, and it was well done. It was easy to understand the mans, and his wife's decision to let him choose to die. I will watch the rest tonight. I probably won't go there myself because chronic pain is not considered a reason for letting a person to leave his or her body.

    Sorry I never saw this topic brought up here before, but how is it anyones concern of how another human choses to leave?
    Gary Is = L-1 Para for 34 years.....................
    ~~~~~~~~~~

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Garyis View Post
    Glad you said "imo."

    IMO, he did a service for those who could no longer manage life. I doubt that he liked to see people die, those he did let go had extensive sessions with psychologists to determine why they wanted to go. It wasn't just him that made the decision.
    totally untrue. he never even asked for medical records.

    http://thechp.syr.edu/death_with_dignity.htm

    so, let's just get rid of cc and pwd. problem solved.

    and, btw, read what his fellow med students wrote about him. dr. death epithet came from them.
    Last edited by cass; 07-18-2011 at 12:32 AM.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    totally untrue. he never even asked for medical records.

    http://thechp.syr.edu/death_with_dignity.htm

    so, let's just get rid of cc and pwd. problem solved.

    and, btw, read what his fellow med students wrote about him. dr. death epithet came from them.
    Okay I will... I went to the site and read this and agree. However, both my wife (nurse) and I, my daughter (nurse) and sister (in the legal profession) all agree that none of wants to be on life sustaining machinery. We all have made it clear that if such an event happens to any of us we want to removed from the machine. But if some one as stated below is unable to make that choice then what ever the law says to do has to be done. I don't know what cc and pwd. are?

    Let's forget Kevorkian and just look at assisted suicide. This I believe in, maybe not Dr. Death, as he was something of a mad man. But the idea of assisted suicide by medical professionals in a legal setting after the mental state of the clients have been evaluated should be okay as it is in Oregon. I do not support DR. Death, just the idea that he brought out to the public view.

    This issue is all about personal beliefs and preferences, nothing to argue about and I apologize that I had sounded argumentative.

    I agree with this but I am certain that my choice will be to go at the tie when the pain is out of control, perhaps when I can no longer get pain meds or they become no longer effective. How could anyone life with severe pain 24/7? I do it and have done it for years but I am loosing ground on maintaining.

    "Absent clear and convincing evidence of the desires of people with disabilities to decline life-sustaining care or treatment, such care and treatment should not be withheld or withdrawn unless death is genuinely imminent and the care or treatment is objectively futile and would only prolong the dying process.

    For the limited number of people who have lifelong cognitive disabilities and who have never had the ability to exercise self-determination regarding life-sustaining care and treatment, such care and treatment should not be withheld or withdrawn unless death is genuinely imminent and the care or treatment is objectively futile and would only prolong the dying process.

    When doubt exists as to whether to provide life-sustaining care and treatment a presumption must always be made in favor of providing such care and treatment.
    Last edited by Garyis; 07-18-2011 at 01:15 AM.
    Gary Is = L-1 Para for 34 years.....................
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  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Duck View Post
    I have awfull also . Enough so I have suicide , not sucessfull , I know next time though I will be . I believe your guys pain is worse than mine . Why not just kill yourself ? Seriously , its never going to get any better , shit we all know this . I know next time when I have had enough i am gone . Very sad , but no alternative .
    Hey Duck, Are you serious?

    If so let me give you a bit of advice.

    First: wait a year before doing anything.
    It does get better. Not the pain, that only gets worse.

    Find a good pain specialist and get on some meds. There are some that actually work for some folks and not others.

    I use 75 mph Fentynal Patches 24/7, these do not get rid of the pain, but without them I would feel like you: at the edge of my limits of what my body and mind can stand and would probably do something foolish, like shoot myself.

    Wait for a few years, you will meet people who will help you in life. This does happen. I fell in love twice and had some wonderful experiences. You can too!

    Don't go off and kill yourself before giving LIFE a chance. I can say this because I have been giving life a chance for 20 years of pain. The first 14 years the pain was not all that bad and I had some wonderful times that I cherish. These days tho' I am unable to function very well, my wife of 12 years and I split up a few months ago, she saying that our lives were nothing that we didn't do anything, not really seeing that this is not my choice but that the pain is the controlling factor of my life and mobility. So now I live alone have help 2 times a week and am still hanging there.

    Don't do anything rash, yet. Give your self some time to experience life.

    Hope this helps.

    gary
    Last edited by Garyis; 07-18-2011 at 01:16 AM.
    Gary Is = L-1 Para for 34 years.....................
    ~~~~~~~~~~

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    totally untrue. he never even asked for medical records.

    http://thechp.syr.edu/death_with_dignity.htm

    so, let's just get rid of cc and pwd. problem solved.

    and, btw, read what his fellow med students wrote about him. dr. death epithet came from them.
    People have a right to die if they want, and he helped them
    exercise that right.

    He didn't kill healthy people or kill without ones permission.

    A lot of people suffer unnecessarily because your selfish opinion
    is shared by so many people.

  8. #18
    really? did he take his own medicine in the end? i'll answer that for you, buck: no, he didn't. and i never expressed an opinion in this thread on assisted suicide. read more closely before you call my opinions selfish. my opinion was on kevorkian.
    btw, you obviously didn't bother to read my link as gary kindly did. gary cc is carecure and pwd is people with disabilities. ty, gary, for reading link.
    Last edited by cass; 07-18-2011 at 03:48 AM.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    really? did he take his own medicine in the end? i'll answer that for you, buck: no, he didn't.
    But he was healthy until he died, so why would he have killed himself? I saw him give an interview with Bill Maher not too long before it and the man seemed fine.

    Cass, your own link states that the people Kevorkian helped end their lives were indeed not whole individuals and chose that option. People with disabilities have as much a right to choose to end their lives as those with terminal illnesses. Whether it's terminal cancer or an incurable ALS, what's the difference? You have a right to die.


  10. #20
    Kevorkian's death: Kevorkian had struggled with kidney problems for years.[49] He had recently been diagnosed with liver cancer, which "may have been caused by hepatitis C," according to his longtime friend Neal Nicol.[50] Kevorkian was hospitalized on May 18, 2011, with kidney problems and pneumonia.[3] Kevorkian's conditions grew rapidly worse and he died from a thrombosis on June 3, 2011, eight days after his 83rd birthday, at William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan.[3]

    It appears his condition deteriorated rapidly and death was due to onset of pneumonia.


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