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    Good news Wise.

    Will this hospital in Seoul be doing all kind of stem cell treatments on SCI patients with combination of therapies?

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    On the other hand, a new development is likely to change the world of medicine as we know it. A former student of mine is organizing a billion-dollar hospital in Inchon, just across the street from the International Airport in Seoul, South Korea. This hospital, to be run by Yonsei University, is certified by the top medical certification bodies in the United States. This new hospital has already signed deals with several major U.S. and international insurance companies to cover procedures done in the hospital. Within a year, American patients will be stepping on airplanes to fly to Inchon to get their elective procedures done at half the cost of the same procedure in the United States. This hospital has been talking to me about doing clinical trials on spinal cord injury.

    Wise.
    I do believe that it is more efficent to do chronic SCI clinical trials in one big center (at least phase I/II) in a place with a reasonable "FDA" and with reasonable costs.
    Is that what you are thinking to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Young View Post
    On the other hand, a new development is likely to change the world of medicine as we know it. A former student of mine is organizing a billion-dollar hospital in Inchon, just across the street from the International Airport in Seoul, South Korea. This hospital, to be run by Yonsei University, is certified by the top medical certification bodies in the United States. This new hospital has already signed deals with several major U.S. and international insurance companies to cover procedures done in the hospital. Within a year, American patients will be stepping on airplanes to fly to Inchon to get their elective procedures done at half the cost of the same procedure in the United States. This hospital has been talking to me about doing clinical trials on spinal cord injury.

    Wise.
    That's good to hear. I'm only a hop, skip and a jump from Inchon. Maybe something great will happen and I will be able to truly hop, skip, and jump.
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    I do believe that it is more efficent to do chronic SCI clinical trials in one big center (at least phase I/II) in a place with a reasonable "FDA" and with reasonable costs.
    Is that what you are thinking to do?

    Paolo
    Paolo,

    Multicenter trials are generally more credible to doctors. Multicenter trials introduce a lot of variables but the world is multicentered. So, the concept that one trial center can do all the work is probably not a good one. Likewise, doing it in China alone does not may not be credible either. So, that is why I have been globe-trotting to establish several respected networks that can work to gather to gather data.

    Wise.

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    Why China is not creditable?

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    Why China is not creditable?
    This is my question, too. Not credible to whom? If something big comes out of China, that's enough credibility for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Young View Post
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    On the other hand, a new development is likely to change the world of medicine as we know it. A former student of mine is organizing a billion-dollar hospital in Inchon, just across the street from the International Airport in Seoul, South Korea. This hospital, to be run by Yonsei University, is certified by the top medical certification bodies in the United States. This new hospital has already signed deals with several major U.S. and international insurance companies to cover procedures done in the hospital. Within a year, American patients will be stepping on airplanes to fly to Inchon to get their elective procedures done at half the cost of the same procedure in the United States. This hospital has been talking to me about doing clinical trials on spinal cord injury.

    Wise.
    I hope they will do many clinical trials for SCI ASAP - and that they will accept candidates from any country - and, if money it is a problem, that they will allow patiants to contribute to the cost of the trial.
    I know that this is unethical, but it is more unhetical not to do clinical trials for ethical issues I think.

    People just want to walk out of w/c and don't give a damn about ethics.

    Paolo
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    Quote Originally Posted by paolocipolla View Post
    it is more unhetical not to do clinical trials for ethical issues I think.
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    Surely the overused term (so fashionable in computer system design and deploymnet) can be applied here. A centre has to be large enough to have the staff and resources to provide adequate service, but in too much centralisation, we are risking the "all-the-eggs-in-one-basket syndrome.

    Whatever happens ultimately must be exportable - the knowledge and techniques developed by Christian Barnard were disseminated around the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paolocipolla View Post
    I hope they will do many clinical trials for SCI ASAP - and that they will accept candidates from any country - and, if money it is a problem, that they will allow patiants to contribute to the cost of the trial.
    I know that this is unethical, but it is more unhetical not to do clinical trials for ethical issues I think.

    People just want to walk out of w/c and don't give a damn about ethics.

    Paolo
    There's a lot in what you mean here Paolo. Ethics are important, however, as they can protect the patient apart from any wider issues. (Many argue, I believe with much good reason, that eugenic engineering is wrong).

    Sooner or later the bullet has to be bitten, though, and we, the disabled have to get into treatments, otherwise we will be like the plane that stays in the wind tunnel without actually flying.

    I would paraphrase what you said, and say that if I got out of the wheel chair and walked, courtesy of an "unscientific" procedure I would certainly not give a damn about the details. Much science has resulted from empiricism, i.e. suck it and see.
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