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  1. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by tooley View Post
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    Hey!! how about your ergo seating? you never have been seating in an ergo seat before.



    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Walker View Post
    Hey Cabron dont forget my we are 3 now
    Uppss!!! Sorry, yes now we are three who will be the next? lol

  2. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by tooley View Post
    oh man it's rigid. And short wheelbase! I did a 1080-degree turn in my tiny ensuite bathroom with smashing anything.
    Very nice ride indeed!

    I'm extremely impressed if your Oracing box allows you to complete three full rotations in a small bathroom. Even the best figure skaters in the world probably can't match such a feat--even though they could probably land a "triple axel" in their sleep.

    Seriously, though, what a very nice ride.

    Can't wait to see the CAD and get a longer term review of the ergo seat. I still am not a total convinced it isn't more of a marketing thing than anything else.


  3. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by SCI_OTR View Post
    Very nice ride indeed!

    I'm extremely impressed if your Oracing box allows you to complete three full rotations in a small bathroom. .
    Me too, please tooley, could you do a video showing how you do it


    Quote Originally Posted by SCI_OTR View Post
    Can't wait to see the CAD and get a longer term review of the ergo seat. I still am not a total convinced it isn't more of a marketing thing than anything else.
    That is not marketing man, even more important than an ergo seat is an ergo backrest, i remember i wanted to give some advise to tooley with his wheelchair, but he told me we went to a specialist seating and he is seat like he want.


    First in an Oracing the backrest is thicker than others and put you a bit forward compared with a normal backrest, so with same cog is less tippy than other chair with same specs, so you have to order your cog around 1 cm more than you usually have, same with your frame and seat.
    An ergo seat don`t push your back behind like could do a A posture pic because your sacro is in flat, among other advantages you will have a better distribution of weight in your sacro, but as it dosen`t push you back like normal seats you need a bit more angled backrest.
    Our backs aren`t completly straight, so why we seat in backrest with tubes complety straights? just giving an angle to them for hide what really bad sitting we are?

    Just one question, if the guy of the pic is seating perfect, where would you seat him? in A seat or in B seat.
    I don`t know you man, but i will go to B, specially in high sci.

  4. #114

    Ergo Back

    Quote Originally Posted by totoL1 View Post
    Me too, please tooley, could you do a video showing how you do it




    That is not marketing man, even more important than an ergo seat is an ergo backrest, i remember i wanted to give some advise to tooley with his wheelchair, but he told me we went to a specialist seating and he is seat like he want.


    First in an Oracing the backrest is thicker than others and put you a bit forward compared with a normal backrest, so with same cog is less tippy than other chair with same specs, so you have to order your cog around 1 cm more than you usually have, same with your frame and seat.
    An ergo seat don`t push your back behind like could do a A posture pic because your sacro is in flat, among other advantages you will have a better distribution of weight in your sacro, but as it dosen`t push you back like normal seats you need a bit more angled backrest.
    Our backs aren`t completly straight, so why we seat in backrest with tubes complety straights? just giving an angle to them for hide what really bad sitting we are?

    Just one question, if the guy of the pic is seating perfect, where would you seat him? in A seat or in B seat.
    I don`t know you man, but i will go to B, specially in high sci.

    Yes, Toto, I agree in B you have a better push on more of the wheel

    and better stability, I have the ergo back cane angle like that on a RGK

    Hilite chair [and ergo seat], however,one question about the back ergo

    cane angles....if using a solid back like ADI or Roho back that of course

    has adjustment fwd and back,does the solid adjustable back not make

    the ergo cane angle irrelevant??

  5. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by totoL1 View Post
    even more important than an ergo seat is an ergo backrest
    You've got to be kidding! Calling an "adjustable back with 10 degree bend" an "Ergo Backrest" can only be described with one word--Marketing!


  6. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by SCI_OTR View Post
    You've got to be kidding! Calling an "adjustable back with 10 degree bend" an "Ergo Backrest"!

    The question was choice between A or B. That is wat you`ve got in wheelchairs.
    btw i will go for me for 15┬║.

  7. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by triedandconvicted View Post
    if using a solid back like ADI or Roho back that of course

    has adjustment fwd and back,does the solid adjustable back not make

    the ergo cane angle irrelevant??
    Yes if you are thinking in go for one of that back you don`t need your back tubes angled.
    But i think this kind of back when are for height option like 15-16" for example should come in parts always thinking in the bends of our spine.

    But of course for do a really ergo seat we will need an individual mold of our backs for do a really backrest for our backs.

    All the rest just help bit our positions.

  8. #118
    Nice to be riding with them again, btw look what is the weight of the new Oracing forks and stems made in 7075 aluminium.

  9. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by totoL1 View Post
    The question was choice between A or B. That is wat you`ve got in wheelchairs.
    btw i will go for me for 15┬║.
    When it comes to custom seating, an individual should rarely have either choice "A" or choice "B". There is usually more than on way to accomplish a given objective. Hence, I submit exhibit C into evidence. This is generally what I am aiming for as a seating clinician...




    Odds are, if the back post needs a bend, the backrest itself is too high. The 8-10 degree back bend was developed back in the day when the norm was a folding chair that had the rear axle located inline with the back posts, the upholstery had a great deal of sag (in many instances it was mounted behind the back posts), and the back posts themselves were 16-20" high. When combined with the lack of any seat dump, nearly anyone except those who had lower level injuries had to sit with a significant amount of posterior pelvic tilt. Many purposely sagged into the back upholstery for stability. The bend was created on those chairs to keep these end users from feeling like they were being pushed forward by the top of the backrest and allowed them to propel the chair without the push handles constantly poking them in the arm pits.

    The Oracing upholstery looks like its similar to a Ride Corbac or my "tension adjustable by bungee" back upholstery. In all three cases, some of the back cushion is positioned slightly in front of the back posts toward the top. Provided it is not located too high in the first place, this can just as easily be accommodated by increasing the back angle and loosening the straps toward the bottom. That is how my chair is set up.



    I think the reason why Oracing designed the back posts the way they did has as much to do with the location of the rigidizer bar. It would be easier for an assistant to use the rigidizing bar if the back posts are angled away from the end user near the top. In addition, someone who leans back heavily into the upholstery when getting dressed won't make contact with it. Calling it "ergo", however, sounds like marketing.

    Overall, I like the idea of putting the rigidizing bar in that location. The only negative trade off I see with Oracing's back design is that some backs may not be able to be mounted in the optimal location if you don't use their upholstery . A Ride Corbac wouldn't fit because of the rigidizing bar location and some hardware for other backs may need to clamp where the bend is located.
    Last edited by SCI_OTR; 10-23-2011 at 01:17 PM.


  10. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by SCI_OTR View Post

    I think the reason why Oracing designed the back posts the way they did has as much to do with the location of the rigidizer bar. It would be easier for an assistant to use the rigidizing bar if the back posts are angled away from the end user near the top. In addition, someone who leans back heavily into the upholstery when getting dressed won't make contact with it. Calling it "ergo", however, sounds like marketing.

    Overall, I like the idea of putting the rigidizing bar in that location. The only negative trade off I see with Oracing's back design is that some backs may not be able to be mounted in the optimal location if you don't use their upholstery . A Ride Corbac wouldn't fit because of the rigidizing bar location and some hardware for other backs may need to clamp where the bend is located.
    I remember you that the high rigidizing backrest angled bar is just an option and it goes where the customer want, like always, like the customer want.

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