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    Quote Originally Posted by 0xSquidy View Post
    George Faught, another sick bastard religion fanatic ("commited christian" as he says). Does anyone still want to ask me why I think religion is bad?
    If he's committed, why did the institution let him out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 0xSquidy View Post
    Have I found a friend?

    You have more friends than you think that have the same opion that you share, in regards to religion as whole.

    Although i am not one you have to realise that there are religous persons that don't hamper their religous ideas towards progress and science and accept science as is but unfortunately use it to fill in the gaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Type Français View Post
    If he's committed, why did the institution let him out?
    Because if one believes it, it's called delusion. If it's a lot of people, then it's called religion and that's supposed to be "respected" for some reason...

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    there are religous persons that don't hamper their religous ideas towards progress and science and accept science as is but unfortunately use it to fill in the gaps.
    You know they are as guilty as the fanatics. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" (allegedly by Edmund Burke)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    Yet more religious assertions! These are not needed, and add nothing to the debate - all I would say is that many leading scientists are "believers", and also support stem cell research.
    Really what percentage would you consider true belivers and what percentage are in which country and what percentage do it for security? In what is the percentage to non belivers and what fields are these scientist you talk about in and what erea of time?

    your assertion is to bold and unfounded

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0xSquidy View Post
    Because if one believes it, it's called delusion. If it's a lot of people, then it's called religion and that's supposed to be "respected" for some reason...



    You know they are as guilty as the fanatics. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" (allegedly by Edmund Burke)
    True

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS View Post
    Really what percentage would you consider true belivers and what percentage are in which country and what percentage do it for security? In what is the percentage to non belivers and what fields are these scientist you talk about in and what erea of time?

    your assertion is to bold and unfounded
    Very facile.

    On the assumption that you really want an answer, I have added some thoughts, and they are not original, and although a graduate in science myself, I do not claim to understand the highly specialised mathematics involved. Personally, I am sick and tired of the emotive, vituperative twaddle uttered on this forum; not because I have, or advocate any stance on the issue, but feel it to be utterly irrelevant to cure and care in medicine.

    I worked with scientists who held these views, they may not have achieved international erudition, but were good at what they did. As to Einstein, he mentions God sufficiently often to indicate that he believed in the concept.

    I do not know what Stephen Hawking's stand is, but most cosmologists like him say that we know how the universe exists, but the big question is why.

    The most up to date postulates about the nature of time and space lead to the conclusion that the material world is a total illusion. At the end of the day a huge percentage of an atom is "nothing", and the very subatomic "particles" are the interaction of electrical and magnetic fields.

    I suppose, the bottom line is that faiths are not unique in dogma and "sacred cows". In the 16th century most people held to the sacred cow that we lived in a terracentric universe. It's not crazy however flawed. Based on the understanding then, it's almost reasonable. The next sacred cow to emerge was Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. No, I'm not saying it's wrong, or the three laws of motion. General Relativity held that these laws were partial, and under the conditions of the world in which we live are "true". Relativity itself is now challenged and the view that nothing can travel at super luminal speed may be false. The laws of thermodynamics that have ruled supreme since the middle of the 19th century and apply to the steam engine and Industrial Revolution may be flawed with the emergence of zero point energy (leading to over unity motors). This has been known about since the time of Faraday and Tesla, but swept under the carpet by scientists, because it is "inconvenient" - It would also sweep away the stranglehold exercised on humanity by the energy companies.

    So what has all this to do with anything? No one can adopt some kind of moral high ground. There are many whose religious fervour is debatable. The exercise of tyranny has been pursued by the Church and by secular states alike. However, in the 20th century more mass murder, brutality and intolerance have been committed since the start of recorded history. Stalin, an atheist of impeccable credentials, had 25,000,000 fellow Russians killed or transported. (The combined efforts of the Conquistadores, and the Inquisition pale.) Hitler certainly wasn't religious, although highly superstitious, but then he thought he was God. The actual numbers of military killed in two vastly destructive world wars, not to mention numerous other conflicts, in the most iconoclast century on record have little to do with faiths. What causes the real misery in the world are greed, (the supreme God, wealth), gluttony (beloved of the West), envy, pride (arrogance of the type that appears on this Forum) and plain good old hatred. It seems that whatever man touches becomes soiled by his own inherent fallibility. - He is able to corrupt the purest ideas with selfishness.

    Perhaps we can lay this overworked topic to rest, as no one is "right" or "wrong", and return to our least lovable sacred cow, the total and despicable myth that SCI is incurable.
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    Thru out time, Anything not known or understood becomes attributed to a "God". "The earth orbit the Sun" harasee! Burn him at the stake.
    (To say Religious Beliefs do not hamper scientific progress is asinine)

    Nice example of ignorance being attributed to "God"
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    Back on point. The VA gov, first priority when entering office was to to cut and do away with Social Programs that help people in need. (Iv been watching him very closely since he tried cutting DMAS) But he has refused to properly raise taxes.(Trickles down does not work, last 10 years proves it) VA also has a mandatory fine for reckless Driving ($1000+) Last I heard they were trying to making rolling right turns a reckless driving offence(Not coming to a complete stop when making a right turn). I wonder Why. I understand the Budget short Fall, but that idiot is going about it all wrong.
    Shame soo many are too Stupid and Greedy to realize what truly matters in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0xSquidy View Post
    Because if one believes it, it's called delusion. If it's a lot of people, then it's called religion and that's supposed to be "respected" for some reason...
    How dare you insinuate that I don't have a personal relationship with Jesus! He happens to be a great kisser.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    Very facile.


    It is

    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    On the assumption that you really want an answer, I have added some thoughts, and they are not original, and although a graduate in science myself, I do not claim to understand the highly specialised mathematics involved.


    Because the fact that you made a generalisation comment that has no bearing on the facts or any facts at all other than your personal generalisation. If you are a true graduate of science then statistics would have been a subject to consider this answer as to whether or not the statement you made was or was not unfounded.
    I am not saying that a scientist or any other intelligent persons could not believe in a God or Gods, but it is more unlikely than not to reject the theist proposition of a God(s), than accept it.
    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    Personally, I am sick and tired of the emotive, vituperative twaddle uttered on this forum; not because I have, or advocate any stance on the issue, but feel it to be utterly irrelevant to cure and care in medicine.



    I total agree with you, But I also don’t like a theist god(s) getting credit for something that they did not do. And won’t do, it sicking’s me to think that those who are wealthy think that by praying to the invisible being has helped maintained their wealth while persons in the poor countries pray for a simple bowl of food and get dust instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    I worked with scientists who held these views, they may not have achieved international erudition, but were good at what they did.

    They don’t have to have the media or known status as that of Dawkins etc, it was the general comment that you made. And I also know of scientist’s and one is medical on diabetes research in Melbourne and I do know for a fact that his family is religious, for himself I don’t I never bothered to ask. But that do’s not mean he is not good at what he do’s.
    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    As to Einstein, he mentions God sufficiently often to indicate that he believed in the concept.

    I do not know what Stephen Hawking's stand is, but most cosmologists like him say that we know how the universe exists, but the big question is why.


    Wow you don’t seem to have grasped Einstein’s meaning in his statement that
    “I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” (Albert Einstein, 1954)
    Stephen Hawking in his last book “The Grand Design” States he do’s not believe in a personal god. Hawking compared religion and science in 2010, saying: "There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority [imposed dogma, faith], [as opposed to] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works
    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    The most up to date postulates about the nature of time and space lead to the conclusion that the material world is a total illusion. At the end of the day a huge percentage of an atom is "nothing", and the very subatomic "particles" are the interaction of electrical and magnetic fields.

    I suppose, the bottom line is that faiths are not unique in dogma and "sacred cows". In the 16th century most people held to the sacred cow that we lived in a terracentric universe. It's not crazy however flawed. Based on the understanding then, it's almost reasonable. The next sacred cow to emerge was Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. No, I'm not saying it's wrong, or the three laws of motion. General Relativity held that these laws were partial, and under the conditions of the world in which we live are "true". Relativity itself is now challenged and the view that nothing can travel at super luminal speed may be false. The laws of thermodynamics that have ruled supreme since the middle of the 19th century and apply to the steam engine and Industrial Revolution may be flawed with the emergence of zero point energy (leading to over unity motors). This has been known about since the time of Faraday and Tesla, but swept under the carpet by scientists, because it is "inconvenient" - It would also sweep away the stranglehold exercised on humanity by the energy companies.



    Science is always changing that’s why most parts are called a theory! Are you really a graduate of science?
    You know God(s) is a assertion is it true or false,
    As for a scientific theory is based on facts until other evidence becomes available, strange you didn’t now that as a graduate of science.


    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    So what has all this to do with anything? No one can adopt some kind of moral high ground. There are many whose religious fervour is debatable. The exercise of tyranny has been pursued by the Church and by secular states alike. However, in the 20th century more mass murder, brutality and intolerance have been committed since the start of recorded history. Stalin, an atheist of impeccable credentials, had 25,000,000 fellow Russians killed or transported. (The combined efforts of the Conquistadores, and the Inquisition pale.)



    This do’s not excuse the atrocities carried out by so few to others but the fact is more persons were born and survived from 1900’s onwards than any other previous century. Stalin may have been a atheist but he did not do he’s wrong doing on that subject but from the fear of others taking his power base away which was helped by the political system he was in like Pol Pot, the North Koran leader, and many more as we both know, who have also used their political process to commit horrible things to other.
    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    Hitler certainly wasn't religious, although highly superstitious, but then he thought he was God. The actual numbers of military killed in two vastly destructive world wars, not to mention numerous other conflicts, in the most iconoclast century on record have little to do with faiths.

    Unfortunately Hitler was a Roman Catholic whether or not he practice the faith or not is debatable, but In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in an Aryan Jesus Christ, a Jesus who fought against the Jews.[ In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of his interpretation of Christianity as a central motivation for his anti-Semitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
    His private statements, as reported by his intimates, show Hitler as critical of traditional Christianity, considering it a religion fit only for slaves; he admired the power of Rome but had severe hostility towards its teaching.
    Lets face it the Nazi political system used it to achieve their end, as have others in the past. But I think though on this subject we would I think be in total agreement that the persons above were bloody mentally mad and selfish and done countless damage.
    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    What causes the real misery in the world are greed, (the supreme God, wealth), gluttony (beloved of the West), envy, pride (arrogance of the type that appears on this Forum) and plain good old hatred. It seems that whatever man touches becomes soiled by his own inherent fallibility. - He is able to corrupt the purest ideas with selfishness.


    Yes I agree

    Quote Originally Posted by chris arnold View Post
    Perhaps we can lay this overworked topic to rest, as no one is "right" or "wrong", and return to our least lovable sacred cow, the total and despicable myth that SCI is incurable.


    I would like to do just that. I would also like to see this subject on this forum moved to the political area as it really is on that stance.
    As it started as a subject of a an US party making a stance on area from economic circumstances. I am tired of the doctors and nurses and some in the wheel chairs themselves thinking that it won’t be done and may never be done. Meaning a cure
    Just yesterday I had one person come into my office and state that there will never be a cure but technology will make the wheel chair better.





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