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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by jschism View Post
    i thought the ones being sold said there were only adjustable down to 15x17, plus i would prefer a chair that is still being made
    not sure where you got your info, but that's not correct... regardless, just wait for the Icon to be released. Marvel is, um... history.

  2. #62
    @pat - I think it's 7/8" tubing - it will very likely change though - please remember that this is a very rough (for us) prototype, and was built ONLY to test functionality - the fit and finish has yet to be done and there will be some aesthetic tweaks.

  3. #63
    jschism,

    Your post here mentioned "... really need 14x15 but cushion is the problem ..." - some cushion brands like Jay (the gel-type cushions) and Supracor Stimulite (the honeycomb-type cushions) can be ordered custom-cut to your specific size requirement. This cushion source; for example, can provide you with the custom-cut cushions.

  4. #64
    I'm a 14w x 18d, and I always have to custom order cushions. I have a varilite and a few stimulites, all of which came from sportaid. It's more of a hassle finding chairs with those dimensions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAdams View Post
    @pat - I think it's 7/8" tubing - it will very likely change though - please remember that this is a very rough (for us) prototype, and was built ONLY to test functionality - the fit and finish has yet to be done and there will be some aesthetic tweaks.
    I think we can all guess why Pat is asking about footrest tubing.. I'll chime in with a note of support. I really hope that the end product can be used with the freewheel. That thing is indespensable to me, and if I recall correctly people had trouble using it on the M1. Obviously you have a lot going on, and there are more factors in play than we can all see, but I hope you guys can keep it in mind when doing the final design tweeks!

  6. #66
    I misread Pat's question - the 7/8" tubing I was referring to was for the structural part of the front wing - the tubing for the footrest itself will be .75 - we will make it compatible with the other manufacturers footrests (and therefore with the freewheel).

    We will also have a proprietary "swing away" footrest for standing transfers (we're not happy about it being proprietary, but it's the only way we can accomplish it). It's not done yet - when it is, I'll put it out for feedback.

    This is exactly the type of feedback we're looking for - compatibility issues are really important for us.

  7. #67
    compatibility w/ other manufacturers' footrests? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone needing that... e.g., using a Top End footrest on a TiLite frame?

    as for other components, if you use common sizes of tube for the back posts & can accommodate other wheels (& casters), axles, and brakes, that'll address most compatibility issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -scott- View Post
    compatibility w/ other manufacturers' footrests? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone needing that... e.g., using a Top End footrest on a TiLite frame?

    as for other components, if you use common sizes of tube for the back posts & can accommodate other wheels (& casters), axles, and brakes, that'll address most compatibility issues.
    I can't find the original posts about the M1/Freewheel issues, but I seem to recall it had more to do with width of the footrest and caster wing. You need a few inches between your feet to clamp it on, and the M1 was too narrow. Could have just been people with enormous shoes, I don't know, but since the caster wing was a on-size fits all, rather than custom built per person, I can imagine there were some people that were SOL w/regard to Freewheel compatibility.

    Anyways, thanks for responding Jeff. It's very encouraging to see you guys seeking input early so you can incorporate as much as possible into the design. I'm sure it will pay off. I have been making plans to buy a new chair - I'll definitely be holding off until you get the icon on the market.

    I so want that angle-adjustable back. Amongst so many other features...

    Edit: I can't spell
    Last edited by taziar; 12-21-2010 at 01:58 PM.

  9. #69
    I think I initially read Jeff's reply differently than it was intended. I figure he's referring to using common size tubing.

    I used to own a M1 & I still own a Freewheel. The 10" wide footrest was simply too narrow [for me]. I don't wear enormous shoes, but I do wear around a size 11. These were a bit too wide for the M1 footrest, for example:



    The shoes I own that did fit were snug on the footrest, which worked out just fine, but there wasn't much room for attaching a Freewheel in-between.

    YMMV.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAdams View Post
    I suppose this is as good a time as any to "out" ourselves - we were pushed a little with some photos that got out, but it's about time anyway. Christian and I have had our heads down, and have been working as hard as we've ever worked for the last 7 months or so, on a new wheelchair.

    I want to be very clear though – this chair IS NOT CURRENTLY FOR SALE– at this point, we’re ONLY looking for advice on design and the design direction that will be helpful to people who may want to use this wheelchair.

    We’re about 6 months away from even talking about delivering chairs, and we cannot and will not respond to requests to purchase the chair, or to become a dealer, a salesperson, or a representative.

    As mentioned in another post, we went onto a Canadian TV show called "The Dragon's Den", but in terms of how the adjustments and modularity work, the prototype chair that we showed on "Dragons" has very little in common with what we've eventually settled on, and absolutely ZERO in common with the M1.

    In fact, for the chair that was on the TV show, and the following prototypes including the latest one, we went back to Christian's design from his efforts with Stryker, which he is also the sole inventor on, and that he developed prior to anything that happened at Marvel.

    The Stryker chair was an amazing design, and the patents for it (conveniently for us) recently lapsed and became available in the public domain (they were active when we were designing at Marvel, so although we would have liked to, we couldn’t use them at that point).

    Because they became available, we went back in time, attached to them for our foundation design principles, and set out to improve on them significantly.

    The most important thing that we did though is listen to the advice that riders, seating specialists, therapists and vendors gave to us, and tried to incorporate those into the new design – we owe an enormous debt of gratitude to the people who stepped up to help us with advice, and criticisms.

    The big ticket directions that we got were:

    • Lower the price


    • Simplify the way it adjusts


    • Start with a “base” chair, and let the user add upgrades/components


    • Make sure that it’s compatible with the aftermarket accessories in the market

    This may well win the "most self-serving statement of the year" award, but I'm personally awestruck with what Christian has come up with.

    One of the great things that came from the Dragon’s Den show, is that we made an amazing contact, and just a few weeks ago signed a deal with a new manufacturing partner, Multimatic - you can check them out at multimatic.com – they’re a huge company, and they mostly work in the automotive industry, but they want to diversify, and are really excited about this project.

    They have an F1 team, consult to Ford Racing, and they build the Aston Martin One-77 - the next step up from them would literally be NASA – and in fact, Multimatic does contract work for NASA. We’ve kicked off with them, and are super excited about what they’re going to bring to the table in terms of the ability to test, and in terms of the engineering support they’ll provide.

    This is an incomplete list, but among other things, the Icon will:

    • Adjust in 11 measurements and without tools for many of them – as much as possible, the adjustments will be made with the rider in the chair. (adjustable elements will include: seat width, seat depth, seat angle, front seat height, rear seat height, back height, back angle, rear wheel spacing, overall length, footrest height, footrest angle)


    • Be offered in a base configuration at a price point that is in the same range as the base models of our competitors.


    • Offer optional rear suspension; there will be no front suspension.


    • Be compatible with all of the common aftermarket backs (the base model will come with a sling upholstery back), and power assist wheels.


    • Weigh in at under 21 pounds, with wheels.

    We've shown the prototype to a number of the top rehab seating clinics and key dealers in North America, and we’ve gotten a pretty overwhelming “thumbs up” - for real, this chair is f-ing awesome.

    As always, we want to hear your opinions/suggestions – please post them here, or send me a PM or an email to jeff@iconwheelchairs.com.

    We’re looking forward to our “official” launch in the next few months, but I’m kind of glad that the CareCure folks are getting the news first.

    Here are some clear photos (seriously, wheelergrrrrl needs to buy her brother a G4 iPhone with a flash or something) – please let us know what you think.

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    What F1 team would that be???

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