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    Homophobic Pastor Engaged in Homosexuality? Say it isn't so!

    This is beautifully backfiring and appalling (especially duping the poor), wait until you read about this asshole (I can't believe it's only now coming out he's gay with all the clues), my favorite parts are bold (titles are exceptions, of course):

    Accused pastor crusaded against homosexuals

    By John Blake

    As Bishop Eddie Long poked through a salad in his church office one summer day in 1999, he shot a weary look at a person ticking off his ministry's successes.

    His Atlanta megachurch had already reached 25,000 members. He had been invited to the White House, built a global television ministry and drove around town in a $350,000 Bentley.

    But Long told the visitor who had come to write about him that the pressures of being a high-profile pastor could be brutal.

    "You don't want any of this," he said in a raspy baritone as he shook his head. "You don't want any of this ..."

    Long didn't get more specific about those pressures.

    Today, the 57-year-old minister, known for his public crusades against homosexuality, faces serious allegations.

    On Tuesday, two young men who were members of Long's New Birth Missionary Baptist Church filed lawsuits claiming he used his position as their spiritual counselor to coerce them into sexual relationships.

    See PDF of lawsuit filed by Maurice Robinson

    The men -- Anthony Flagg, 21, and Maurice Robinson, 20 -- allege Long used a private spiritual ceremony to mark a "covenant" between them, with both becoming his "spiritual son."

    See PDF of lawsuit filed by Anthony Flagg

    Flagg alleges that Long then used that relationship to take him on overnight trips where they shared a bedroom and engaged in kissing, masturbation and "oral sexual contact."

    Robinson, who claimed Long engaged in oral sex with him, said the pastor would cite Scripture to justify their relationship.

    "We categorically deny the allegations," Art Franklin, Long's spokesman, said in a written statement. "It is very unfortunate that someone has taken this course of action."

    Franklin said "our law firm will be able to respond once attorneys have had an opportunity to review the lawsuit."

    The men's lawyer, Brenda Joy (B.J.) Bernstein, would not make them available for comment.

    Long's crusades against homosexuality

    The allegations against Long run contrary to his public image.

    He is a celebrity preacher in the black church world and a star in the evangelical world as well. His church is one of the largest in the country.
    In the pulpit, Long seamlessly blends muscle and ministry.

    He wears tight shirts that display his weight-lifter arms. He writes books such as "Gladiator, the Strength of a Man," that teaches men how to be warriors for God. He says he has a special calling to reach out to men.

    We categorically deny the allegations.
    -Art Franklin, spokesman for Bishop Eddie Long

    He's a married man who preaches about the sanctity of the union between a man and a woman. He denounces homosexuality. In 2004, he led a march in Atlanta against gay marriage. He once declared that his church had created a ministry that "delivered" people from homosexuality.

    His public statements about gays and lesbians have helped reinforce homophobia in the black church, says Shayne Lee, a sociologist and author of "Holy Mavericks: Evangelical Innovators and the Spiritual Marketplace."

    "The homophobic atmosphere he helped perpetuate," Lee said, could "come back to possibly harm him."

    Long's controversial ministry

    Long has been the center of public controversy before.

    In 2005, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that a charity Long created to help the poor and spread the Gospel had made him its biggest beneficiary.

    An examination of the nonprofit's tax returns and other documents revealed that the charity provided him with at least a million dollars in salary over four years, and the use of a $1.4 million home and the $350,000 Bentley.

    A frequent critic of black preachers (he once said they "major in storefront churches"), Long responded by saying he was a CEO of a global business who deserved his lifestyle.

    "You've got to put me on a different scale than the little black preacher sitting over there that's supposed to be just getting by because the people are suffering," Long said, explaining the compensation he received from his charity.

    In 2007, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, of the Senate Finance Committee, sent a letter to Long asking detailed questions about his financial operations. Long was one of six televangelists who Grassley targeted.
    After an initial flurry of publicity following Grassley's request, the investigation appeared to peter out.

    In recent years, Long seemed to become more humble, says Rev. Tim McDonald, senior pastor of First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta.

    In private talks, McDonald said, Long told him about the pressures of leading a megachurch. He said he no longer had as many close friendships and yearned to return to the more intimate relationships that McDonald seemed to have with his much smaller congregation.

    "He said, 'Tim, I may have the numbers, but you have the love,' '' McDonald said.

    God's 'scarred leader'

    For all his outward confidence, Long also displayed a vulnerable side.

    He built an intimate bond with many members of his church by talking about his private failings: his divorce from his first wife; being rejected by his father; and being fired from a job in corporate America.

    He called himself God's "scarred leader."

    He also became known for his generosity. He would give out cars and money to strangers at church services. He built ministries to help the poor, AIDS patients and young people.

    He talked proudly about his ability to reach young men. He called himself a "spiritual daddy" to many of the young men he mentored at New Birth.
    He would pay the college tuition for some men, give business suits to others and play basketball and lift weights with his male ministers.

    Once, he even boasted to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that some mothers at New Birth trusted him enough to bring their wayward teenage boys to him for paddling.

    "When I say bend over, even on Sunday, they bend over," he said, referring to the boys he paddled. "Why? Because they respect me. Because I first died for them..."

    The two men who filed suit against Long, though, said he used their relationships to instruct them, as "spiritual sons," to follow their "master."
    They also say Long enticed them "with cars, clothes, jewelry, and electronics." Robinson claims the pastor paid for his college tuition.
    In Flagg's suit, he claimed that when some young men found girlfriends, Long would attempt to block those relationships by "increased contact and spiritual talk" about "the covenant between the Spiritual Son and himself."

    In addition to Long, the lawsuits name as defendants his church and a youth academy where Long was pastor and mentor. Both suits seek unspecified punitive damages on counts ranging from negligence to breach of fiduciary duty.

    Lee, the Tulane sociologist who has written about Long, says he expects him to mount a fierce counterattack.

    "He'll demonize the accusers," Lee said, "and couch it in terms of how the enemy Satan is trying to hurt the ministry."

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/22/Bis...ex.html?hpt=C1


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    Wow, a black homo-preacher keeping it on the down low.

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    I personally do not support the Pastor (or anyone) railing against gays.

    However, if I were a young activist trying to bring this guy down I would simply go public with a story that he tried to seduce me (and a friend to add more credibility).

    It's like the 14 year old girls accusing the teacher of trying to touch them inappropriately - it's so easy to make the accusation, and so difficult to regain your credibility afterwards.

    In other words - I'll stick with innocent until proven guilty. And when he is proved guilty I'll jump on the bandwagon with y'all.

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    ....not sure why this got moved into oblivion Todd? Pity it wasn't a white Republican, it would have been made a sticky....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB701 View Post
    ....not sure why this got moved into oblivion Todd? Pity it wasn't a white Republican, it would have been made a sticky....
    Just a guess, but perhaps because it had nothing to do with politics.

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    Exactly the reason.
    "So I have stayed as I am, without regret, seperated from the normal human condition." Guy Sajer

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Berg View Post
    Just a guess, but perhaps because it had nothing to do with politics.
    give it time, by page two it will turn into a repub versus demo thing
    We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Berg View Post
    Just a guess, but perhaps because it had nothing to do with politics.

    You are right. But if you dig just a little it touches on so many subjects that are political:

    - View on homosexuality in general as a commentary on the culture wars (gay marriage rights, DADT)
    - View of Black churches' views of gays - relevent to CA Prop 7(?) at the 2008 election.
    - Relevent to the fact that his man shares Obama's views on gay marriage.
    - Interesting to see that hypocracy of sexual preference in public life reaches beyond politicians to other public figures


    I see so much crap that stays in Politics that is capable to generating zero intersting debate, why does this get banished?

    Just saying.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Berg View Post
    Just a guess, but perhaps because it had nothing to do with politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike C View Post
    Exactly the reason.
    Fine. Grab your riding crop and spank me. I'll even bend over on a chair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB701 View Post
    I see so much crap that stays in Politics that is capable to generating zero intersting debate, why does this get banished?
    I've wondered the same thing at times but since I'm not the mod for the Politics forum, I leave that decision to others.

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