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    [QUOTE] OKAY your an idiot and I know I shouldn't argue with fools cause they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.....
    1st you have know idea what job I have, what gives you the all mighty position to look down on me (if I fail my job 1000s to millions die in a instant.....if you fail to do your job the process is over a lifetime and they just wish they had died) [QUOTE/]

    Nah, if you fail your job you'll be replaced by some 19 year old ITT Tech graduate..... or a retarded monkey

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    Originally posted by hub:

    okay my two cents

    1st:scaligirl what you describe in your "perfect world" where there are checks by trained officials....this is why most people go to homeschooling in the first place..... gov't intervention in every part of our lives is not the answer

    2nd: if you want to make a homeschooler mad say "well what about socialization?" duh there again one of the main reasons we don't want our developing children thrown in the pit of hell you call normilazation "school"

    3rd developmental our children are always complemented on their manners, politeness, and their ability to cope with any social situation......... with the local homeschool group we have over 160 families that have multiple activities on a daily basis. What you don't realize is that while your at work that we are taking advantage of local discounts at buisnesses that appreciate our morning and afternoon buisness (bowling,skating, gaming areas, play areas, museums, theatrical companies, the arts, play grounds, and sooooo many more) we have to pick and choose between tooooo many activites....

    my 6 year old is doing multiplication and division, can count money and read books.......

    if school is tough we stop and work with it in a none threating atmosphere, when it is easy we advance, all at his pace not the slowest in the room

    my oldest made straight "A's" except for conduct and that was explained to us as "it is because he gets finished too early and then tries to talk in class" oh heavens me a little boy who tries to talk in class..........

    what is the best part? I get to see the expression on his face when he gets it, really gets it....it is as important to me (and him) as his first steps

    but in your world I would see his first steps on a surveilance camera at some day care, while some minimum wage works applauds his efforts? no no no no and again I say NO!

    why do you worry so much about those who want to homeschool? oh I know, it threatens your job security? or is it you think you are the only one qualified to teach our children? and when the children become unmanageable? well we have a drug for that makes the easy to teach......

    oh well just my opinion as a stupid homeschool father
    Is this whole post directed at me and what I posted?

    1st..when did I say my world was "perfect"? Do you know what a charter school is? Most people take their students out of traditional schools and place them into a charter school because we are not bound by all the BS policies that they do. As far as being checked by a trained professional..these teachers are there to HELP the parents. The parents are the primary teachers for these students.
    I don't understand where the attack on me came from. I NEVER said anything negative about homeschooling.
    If the rest of your post was directed at me, let me know and I will address the rest of the post.

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    Homeschooling is not for everyone, but how can any intelligent person refute the benefits it has when carried out by committed parents?!

    CSpine you're placing a stigma on a group of kids just because of how they're schooled, like it says there is something inherently wrong with the kids they'll never recover from once they've begun that path. How rediculous! "They'll only socailize with other homeschooled kids"...kids are kids...put them in a group and they'll socialize as kids do; their school setting is irrelevent. Being in a "public" setting does not teach them how to behave themselves. Teaching them to think & be confident in themselves in a home atmosphere where they can progress academically as they are developmentally ready will prepare them to handle themselves in any group. Kids in public schools get beat up all the time for progressing slower, faster, bascially anything that makes them different. Being amongst ill mannered children for the majority of the day will only teach my kids that that sort of behavior is normal and acceptable. I want my kids to explore, not mindlessly subscribe to whatever the teacher & other children tell them. School should be about learning primarily. There is entirely too much placed on public school teachers these days, which has no business in an academic realm, but because so many parents are "too busy" the schools are expected to pick up more responsibility. As schools take on more & more, they are unable to do a good job with what should be there focus. I'm not even going to get started on how hard one must look for a good teacher in public school systems. Furthermore, if you are so maladjusted, it may be either because the person in charge of your homeschool experience did a poor job & you didn't receive adequate socialization, or maybe you would be "weird & have trouble relating to people" regardless of how you were taught. There are plenty of those people brought up in public schools too you know. Quit blaming homeschooling in general for making you a "social tard".

    My son is still an infant, but I plan to homeschool him as my aunt did with her 4 children; hers are examlpes of sociable & well adjusted homeschoolers. The oldest entered a large city public high school by choice graduating valedictorian going on to med school & being a youth pastor. The others are coming along after him just as well. My son will have a rich life outside academics, introduced to horses (my passion) racecars (my husband's passion) & anthying he chooses on his own along with a supporting community of family & friends. We'll also take advantage of the large church homeschool co-op in our area. He will learn at home to think outside the box, respect himself & his ideas, other people who deserve it, and to stick up for himself.
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    homeschooling is huge here. Due to the sparseness and the way the area is spread out - especially in winter - school kids don't travel far to go to school. Some of them have combined grades because attendance is low. Makes it great for the kids who are in the class since they get personalized attention. It doesn't matter here one way or the other. Some kids go to religious schools, some go to public schools, some get home schooled. No big deal. The greater majority home school/private school their kids til high school, then send them to public high school.

    I am a certified K-8/special education teacher and have worked with both groups of children. I work a lot with my son to help him stay as close to on-level as possible. He has learning disabilities, so it can be quite a challenge at times. I also tutor kids - both home school and public school students. Around here, there isn't much difference developmentally. True, the public school kids are more aware of trends and what not, but that's because they are exposed to it daily. Ten years from now, does that really matter?

    I suppose it's different in areas where the population is more compacted, unlike here where there are 9 people per square mile.

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    I cannot speak as parent of a child, but I can give my perspective on what it is like to be schooled part of my life in public school in the US, be homeschooled, and also attend a one room school in a third world country. I say the public schools are good in that they teach conformation and "fitting in", something I never did well from the get go. They teach you to "get along" as a member of a group. I was not happy there AT ALL. In fact I hated it. Home schooling talt me to me independent, resiliant, and self reliant. I found this was the most helpful lifestyle for me. I learned alot in homeschooling (and these were the days when homeschooling was very rare) and found I was waa...y ahead of the public school kids. I found I just did not fit in the public schools. I think most home schoolers have faced this, here. It not only was the home schooling, but the fact I lived in a lifestyle that was so diferent than most of the other kids, haveing been a live aboard (lived on a boat)at the time. I can remember sitting on the deck doing my studies or at the galley table. We would get our work done and done right, early so, we had more time for the rest of the day. My folks would take the lessons we learned in our homeschooling and applied them to what was going on around us.
    The "one room schoolhouse" experience was also good as we had to expereince being with other kids, learn the self discipline of focusing our studies, while the other kids were being tought their lessons. My Dad attended a one room schoolhouse his whole elemetry school years, and he did fine. He eventually graduated from medical school and had a very popular medical practice. He had two practices, one was general practice and the other was orthopeadics. Now, he was so good, he was a very astute clincical diagnostisiion, and unfortunately I hold every other doctor up to his light, and they do not shine as he did. I think I had maybe one or two doctors that I could compare to him. I think that is why I have so much difficulty being satisfied with doctors. Again the affect it had on me was to teach discipline, hard work, and mixing with kids of may types and ages. So all schools have something to offer, but I find home schooling and a one or two room school is what I would want my kids in to get their education. Just my experience and opinion, but then I have always marched to the beat of a different drum.

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    agree with the last 4.........!

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    I'm coming very late to this thread, and most of the important issues have been covered. I think most are aware of the importance of socialising, so I'm sure Jewel will be sensitive to this issue, but I think cspine (in a less than tactful way) makes very good points - and he's speaking as someone that was home schooled.

    In Australia, it's very rare to be home schooled, and I think that's generally a good thing. My personal experience was that I went to an all-boys high school. Let me just say, I will NEVER send my children to a single sex school. Myself, and most of my friends, were very awkward around girls at 18, and even to this day I feel it sometimes makes me more awkward around women that I otherwise would have been.

    I met my two closest friends at high school when we were 12 (we're 30 now), and I never would have experienced all the friendship and love they've given me if I never went to school. Not to mention, many of my fondest memories are from the playground. I would never trade those memories for the world.

    Turning to academics, how does home-schooling work when children reach years 11 and 12? Without blowing my own horn, I was academically a 'gifted' child, and in years 11 and 12 I took the highest levels of maths and physics offered in my state. There is no way my parents could have kept up with me, and I definitely needed a teacher to explain some of those concepts. Is the idea to get tutors in later years? That sounds expensive.

    I think comparing academic results between home schooling and public schooling is a bit pointless. I have no doubt that, had I been provided with a custom curriculum, I could have been academically ready for university by 12 or 13. But I would have been completely lost at uni as a 12 year old! I had a math and physics tutor in years 11 & 12, and I think that was a really good trade-off.

    Jewel, why does your daughter want to be home-schooled? To me, this sounds unusual for a 10 or 11 year old girl (just guessing age here). Is she being bullied at school? If she's receiving too much home work, take it up with the school! It just seems odd for a pre-teen to say "Mum, I don't want to hang out with my friends every day". At 10 I loved school, because that's where all of my friends were.

    Having said all the above, I do think home schooling can work for some families. In fact, I'm sure for some families it's the best option (although for most I doubt it is). Jewel, I'm sure you'll do what's right for your particular family, and I wish you and your daughter the best of luck.

    Chris.

    P.S. While not directly related to Jewel's questions, I think some of the attacks on public school are a bit much. Schools are a pre-industrial institution that haven't moved with the times? WTF? Schools don't teach children to think? WTF? Civilisation has been around for some 5,000 years, and it's only in the last century that massive-scale public schools have emerged. Make no mistake - the advances in public schools are one of the 20th centuries' great successes. Any system that's so big will have plenty of cracks, but it's still a great system. Children today, in the poorest American and Australian neighbourhoods, still get a better education today than even the wealthiest human could have only two centuries ago...
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  9. #49
    Jewel,
    I was homeschooled from 4th-8th grade. It was a wonderful experience, and I must say that I learned much more then I would have if i had been in public school. However, I did miss the social interactions which school provided on a daily basis. I wouldn't reccomend homeschooling through high school; it is an experience which every teenage should have. Homeschooling a child can be extremely stressful on a parent though, make sure you're up to the challenge! If she is like most kids her age, she'll be tempted to slack off, and not do ANYTHING because she is at home. You have to be a motivator as well as a teacher as well as a parent and, as my mom found out, that is no easy task. If you decide to homeschoool your daughter, make sure she has plenty of social interaction; that was by far the worst part of homeschooling for me anyway. It is really hard for young people to keep in the social swing of things when they don't see friends everday.
    If you think that you are up to it, and it is really what your daughter wants, then its worth a shot, right? If you would like to email me i'd be more than happy to help you in anyway that I can!
    All the best

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    I found that the combination of educational methods to be very good, and learned from each situation. I will say the earliest years in the public school were VERY traumatic. I think what really happened was I started to early in my childhood which made problems for both me and them. I was not emotionally prepared for it.

    They to quickly wanted to "diagnose" me and put me into a "track" or "thread" that could have latter affected my life. What made a difference for me in the early years was the fact that I went though a period or several periods of home schooling, and going to a one room school in the out islands of the Bahamas. That is where I made progress and was able to become more accademicly competative. By the time I reached high school, I was able to handle it and in fact found it enjoyable. There were typical problems any high schooler would have, but in all it was a positive experience.

    So I understand that young people must have a variety of experinces as it makes them more able to handle the problems of life, both socially and otherwise. It made a diference for me.

    What has to be done in the public schools is that they need to stop "diagnosing" or labeling kids early in life. It is almost like you ARE the diagnosis rather than having the problem. For example, kids end up being called ADD or being autistic, or retarded, etc, before the child has a chance to prove himslef to be quite normal. Also they demand treatments or medications, rather than working with the parants to develop a plan for the young person. The public schools need to work with the parents and family, rather that told what to do. And labeling has got to go, it ruins a kid, and destroys their self esteem.

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