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Thread: I know, I know, it's horribly idealistic of me........

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    Why not just tell them it would not look to good in a newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenJen View Post
    How about showing up early a few times. Sit right in front of the entrance where all the other students have to practically trip over you. Greet each one and ask them if they could help you get in. Point out that if you were being excluded because you were x (name a couple of other former disenfranchised groups) they wouldn't stand for it. Ask for their help in getting it fixed. Do it a couple of times.

    Personally, I'm trying a new tactic. Rather than staying home cuz I know it's inaccessible, I let ppl know how excited I am and how eager I am to attend whatever event. "See you there!!!!!!" I make my exclusions pretty public these days. It's making a difference.
    Great idea. Very pro-active, positive imagery. Did you hatch this plan JenJen? Impressed.

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    In thinking about this situation, I am starting to wonder if I have been disillusioned about Canada. I have always thought Canadians, as a whole, to be more kind, considerate, and sensitive to minority needs that we USers. Have I got that wrong? Also, why doesn't Canada have an ADA equivalent if these problems persist?
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    get student gov't involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by brocko View Post
    Great idea. Very pro-active, positive imagery. Did you hatch this plan JenJen? Impressed.
    Why thank you Brocko. I hatched it up after being invited to an event for an organization that was fund raising for of all things INCLUSION!!! They meant multicultural/LGBT but I want to be included too. This group was really stuck when I asked folks if they'd boycott if I couldn't enter the event because of race or religion or gender. They got it quick. Never had an issue with that group since.

    I've decided that no one gets it if I stay home so I go and plan to be turned away publicly. It's THEIR shame, not mine. It's working.
    S l o w l y. But working nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
    In thinking about this situation, I am starting to wonder if I have been disillusioned about Canada. I have always thought Canadians, as a whole, to be more kind, considerate, and sensitive to minority needs that we USers. Have I got that wrong? Also, why doesn't Canada have an ADA equivalent if these problems persist?
    Don't you think making an assumption about the entire country based on one post about a group of law students at one university is a bit rash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangejello View Post
    Don't you think making an assumption about the entire country based on one post about a group of law students at one university is a bit rash?
    I have not drawn any conclusion.I just asked a question so I could get some additional info. Thanks for your comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
    In thinking about this situation, I am starting to wonder if I have been disillusioned about Canada. I have always thought Canadians, as a whole, to be more kind, considerate, and sensitive to minority needs that we USers. Have I got that wrong? Also, why doesn't Canada have an ADA equivalent if these problems persist?
    In Ontario we have incredible new legislation: the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act. It is the most progressive piece of law that I have seen. It sets standards for customer service, information and communication (including accessible teaching), employment, built environment and transportation. Really high standards - complete access. It's the next generation of the ADA. It requires a shift from accommodation (keeping existing programs etc and figuring out how they can be adapted for people w disabilities) to accessibility - access built in up front. It requires training for all service providers, employers, builders etc.

    I believe the other provinces will follow suit. There just hanging back to see how it's executed in Ontario. First deadlines for the public sector are this March. Private sector is next March. I'm working with my employer to conduct training. It's a huge job with over 6000 employees, volunteers, contractors.

    Kiran, student clubs are covered - anyone providing any kind of service, event etc. is covered - so they have to complete training here. I hope B.C. catches up soon. Good luck advocating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
    I have not drawn any conclusion.I just asked a question so I could get some additional info. Thanks for your comment.
    http://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/en/mcss/pr...accessibility/

    loreo, did you know medical facilities (including doctor's offices) are exempt for 25yrs? That takes us into 2030 ...
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    Kiran I had a similar issue last year when it came to both formal and informal class activities. After feeling like I was on my own to educate everybody in the class, I was actually encouraged to find out that the student's association at my university has one seat on its council reserved for a student with a disability. After getting in touch with him and the ombudsman for the student's association with my concerns, with their help I was able to liason with both the university's administration and several student groups. It was a bit frustrating, I admit and I didn't really get the results I might have hoped for. But given the time frame I was working with, I was encouraged that there was a recognition by both the university and the student's association that more needed to be done in terms of creating awareness and encouraging and monitoring for inclusion, both for formal and informal things on campus. Whether it was all talk remains to be seen. But I now have the university's vice president of campus life cc-ing me email exchanges he has about campus events and accessibility. So I think some progress has been made with awareness. It both amazes me and frustrates me though, as I can't think I am the first student to ever take issue with lack of accessibilty at this school. But it almost felt like it taking to some of the university's senior admininstrators. However I admit that I was more discouraged by the lack of awareness of my classmates.

    Speaking in general terms about some of the replies here, I don't see how a law suit in this case would serve anything except to further alienate people and create bad will--if there was even a case in the first place. Educating and bringing awareness can be a frustrating and slow process. But in the end, from my own experience at university, I think that is where I would rather expend my energy rather than thinking I needed to sue.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
    I have not drawn any conclusion.I just asked a question so I could get some additional info. Thanks for your comment.
    It wasn't a comment. It was a question about the wording of your post, which I admit I found puzzling. I guess it would be like me wondering if all Americans were redneck dumbfucks based on one conversation I had with somebody from Oklahoma this weekend.
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