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  1. #21
    honestly i believe that going to the pain doc was the best thing i have done. he maybe in ass but being able to spend a whole day out of bed is great. i got to the point where i was only able to get up for 4 hours then i had to lay down for 4 hours i couldn't really do anything buy time i got up it was almost time to get back in bed the pain got to the point where i was almost in tears. i thank god for oxycodone i can have a life again.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by thehipcrip View Post
    Ken, I am so, so sorry you're having to go through withdrawal. It's a painful, horrific experience, and I hope you're not alone as you face this. I'm with you in spirit, friend -- wish to god I could do more for you to ease you through this.

    TAM63, I am now officially in love with you. Can't begin to express how much I appreciate you jumping in to once again reiterate that there is a difference between addiction (a mental condition) and dependence (a physical condition). It frustrates me to no end to see how many people in chronic pain have been conditioned to believe that their reliance on opioids to maintain any quality of life constitutes an addiction. I strongly believe that we don't stand a chance with educating the physicians who treat us, let alone the public at large, that we rely on these medications in the same way cancer patients do until we start using the proper language -- i.e, stop referring to our reliance on narcotics as addiction and instead call it what it is, a physical dependence.

    Jon (Arndog), hopefully you already know how much I respect you, but your posts here necessitate that I tell you again how much I appreciate you sharing your experiences and perspectives. You summed up my feelings about my use of opiates for pain relief so eloquently -- it is absolutely a love/hate relationship.

    I have no doubt I am physically dependent on my pain meds -- missing a dose can cause both of my legs to start severe spasms that only subside when the missed dose is taken. I love having something -- anything -- that will help control my pain to a point at which I can do something other than lay in bed and cry. I despise the fact that I must grovel before TPTB (currently, a rogue pharmacist more so than a doctor) to get that help. I am angry that I must live in fear of not having these meds anymore because someone has confused my physical dependence with a mental need. I find it wrong that I am not allowed to refill my prescriptions for opiates until I am out because there are assholes out there who abuse these meds and who are tainting my legitimate need for these drugs with their illegal and immoral behaviors. And I dislike the fact that others, even some who should know better and have more understanding, try to make me feel bad for using a legal medication prescribed by a pain specialist.

    Thanks for the opportunity to rant a little bit.
    Why thank you.

    Very eloquently put.

    As I once told some medical professionals, there is NO other medication that one uses for a medical condition that you have to be afraid to talk to them about.

    There is no other medication that they will withhold, like they are Ken, for being "a bad boy".

    And Ken, I am of course so sorry for what you are going through. At the least, to allow you to go through withdrawal without help, from abrupt removal of opiates, is irresponsible.

    They only sympathy I have for pain physicians however, is that they also may have to live in fear, of the authorities. Some are compassionate and caring, but have to be so very careful for fear of losing their licenses, and becoming unable to help any patients.

    What a ridiculous amount of fear, and stigma, for such useful medications.

    I so feel for anyone going through this.

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    Hi there everyone one! Everything i have read here from the people that have rote the therad i take my hat off too(if i could lol) I dont think to many people in life could possibley under stand what we go through,im on 60-70mg of oxycodone a day and that still anit enough to deal with it with the pain. But being a quad with no fingers ive put all of my pain meds up in a cobuard where i carnt get to them lol ive got to ask a family member get them down and give them to me every coupple of hours. I suppose that how i montor my intake. Ive got pretty addcited to endone so i went of that and went on to oxycodone that seem to be helping but i still reckon me nerve pain take the cake when it comes to pain levels having it feels like your feet are on fire all day takes the cake! I just want to be hooked up to a morfine drip all day lol that will give my some relif and a chance at a normal like.

  4. #24
    Some things your pain doc might consider: I believe fentanyl patches are used quite a bit for nerve pain. For you, that might be easier, as the patch would stay on all the time.

    Also, perhaps better relief than morphine could be methadone. In addition to the usual workings of an opiate, it is a NMDA antagonist. Some people get great relief, some people hate it. But I have seen it work. (The doctor does need to be experienced in prescribing this, or it can be very dangerous).

    This article is about palliative care, but talks about neuropathic pain and methodone.

    http://www.mywhatever.com/cifwriter/...fact/ff75.html

    "Methadone, a potent opioid agonist, has many characteristics that make it useful for the treatment of pain when continuous opioid analgesia is indicated. Although available for decades, its use has gained renewed interest due to its low cost and potential activity in neuropathic pain syndromes. Unlike morphine, methadone is a racemic mix; one stereoisomer acts as a NMDA receptor antagonist, the other is a mu-agonist opioid. The NMDA mechanism plays an important role in the prevention of opioid tolerance, potentiation of opioid effects, and efficacy for neuropathic pain syndromes, although this latter impression is largely anecdotal"

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    Thanks a lot guys. I appreciate all the help very much. I haven't been on in a while because of the problem I discussed. I ended up in the ER late Sunday night/early Monday morning. I have an indwelling catheter in right now and my pain was so horrible that I was screaming and thrashing about and I think my bag was caught under my desk or my bed. I must have yanked it pretty hard because I woke up and took a look at it to make sure it wasn't full and it had about 300cc of blood in it. I'm also a double leg amputee so I don't have extra blood to spare! I went to the ER and it stopped bleeding and they didn't seem too concerned. They gave me Dilaudid which helped me out a lot after not having Oxycodone for 3/4 days. I surprisingly didn't have that bad of withdrawal but the pain was horrendous. And then I came home and got a call from the pain clinic saying they approved more meds for me. I think my pain Dr. is bipolar or something.

    I'm really sick and tired of having to defend myself when asking for pain meds because of those idiots that abuse it. And when you defend yourself they just think you are in denial anyways so you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I tell them all the time I hate taking these things and i'm sick and tired of having to rely on them and worry if I run out too early for the month or get cut off. It's one of those damned if I do, damned if I don't kind of deals when it comes to pain vs. narcotic meds.
    Ken

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    Ken, again I am so sorry for what you went through. I believe a symptom of withdrawal can be increased pain.

    It is rather an interesting catch-22 is it not?
    Admit you're an addict - you're an addict.
    Deny you're an addict - you're an addict in denial.
    Hard to win that one.

    I hope the (bipolar) pain doc finds something that works for you.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by BigK View Post
    And then I came home and got a call from the pain clinic saying they approved more meds for me. I think my pain Dr. is bipolar or something.
    I was thinking about this, and had a thought that I don't really like much.

    Could it be that you were "bad" (took too many), so you have been "punished" (cut off and gone through withdrawal and pain) and now will have "learned your lesson" and will henceforth be "a good boy" (don't take too much)?

    I truly hope that was not the case with your doctor - because it strikes me as practically torture and abuse of power.

  8. #28
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    Anyone who takes enough opiates long enough will become physically dependant. That is NOT the same as addiction. You can be physically dependant upon many drugs besides opiates - addiction is a mental illness.

    Dear Tam;
    I am curious how you became a Senior Member without being here more than 2 months. You obviously have a medical background. Yet you say addiction is a Mental Illness. What is your agenda if your husband does not have spinal compromise?

  9. #29
    TAM63, I am now officially in love with you. Can't begin to express how much I appreciate you jumping in to once again reiterate that there is a difference between addiction (a mental condition) and dependence (a physical condition). It frustrates me to no end to see how many people in chronic pain have been conditioned to believe that their reliance on opioids to maintain any quality of life constitutes an addiction. I strongly believe that we don't stand a chance with educating the physicians who treat us, let alone the public at large, that we rely on these medications in the same way cancer patients do until we start using the proper language -- i.e, stop referring to our reliance on narcotics as addiction and instead call it what it is, a physical dependence.

    So Tam, I'm confused are you or your husband or both addicted to pain meds?

  10. #30
    What on earth???

    The first bit you quoted is mine. The second is not my words, but is a reply to me by thehipcrip.

    In most forums, one automatically turns into a "senior member" after a certain number of posts. I would imagine that's the case here.

    Adddiction is classified a mental illness - look up DSM-IV.
    http://www.tcnj.edu/~sa/adep/factsheets/dsm2.htm

    So now you are accusing myself and my family of being a drug addict? Interesting assumption.

    If my posts offend you, why don't you just ignore them - honestly, yours are now beginning to offend me and I think I will take my own advice.

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